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| Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761936] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 08:19 |
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Travelling at 60 km/h on the Glow Worm Tunnel Rd, Newnes State Forest
several weeks ago, the bonnet smacked into the windscreen without
warning. Luckily the road was straight and there were no on-coming
cars-I stopped the vehicle without further incident. Upon inspection,
two bolt/screws that hold a bonnet plate that engages into the
release levers were found loose in the engine bay (on the bar above
the radiator).
See photos at: http://home.people.net.au/~wabbaly/Disco%20Bonnet%
20Release%20at%2060%20kmh/
With some difficulty the three of us lowered the bonnet, carefully
manipulating the wipers under the bonnet's lower edge (they were in
that position because of the accident). Because there was no phone
reception, we couldn't call Land Rover's Roadside Assist, therefore
we tied the bonnet down and drown slowly home and called there.
Had the bonnet spontaneously released itself minutes before or after,
the three of us could have crashed into a pine tree or sandstone road
cutting. We are so fortunate the accident took place where it did.
The car: Was I driving an old Disco. No, it's a 2003 Land Rover
Discovery, Series II, purchased Dec 2003,
under warranty until Dec 2006. Serviced by the book by Land Rover
service centres.
Land Rover "Customer Care" were initially reluctant to provide us
with a replacement car or cover the costs of towing. This, and other
behaviour, was totally disrespectful considering that the three of us
could have died due to the malfunction had it occurred elsewhere.
Particular mention must be made of Andrew Howard and Maggie
(Margaret) Horesch (National Customer Care Manager for LRA) both of
whom work in Melbourne--they have shown complete disreguard for our
circumstance--I hope none of you have to deal with them when it
really matters.
Has anyone heard of this happening to Land Rovers?
The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761937 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 08:37 |
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drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
> The car: Was I driving an old Disco. No, it's a 2003 Land Rover
> Discovery, Series II, purchased Dec 2003,
> under warranty until Dec 2006. Serviced by the book by Land Rover
> service centres.
I take it that this means that the service book doesn't have a section on
checking the bonnet locking mechanism's integrity.
> The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
> accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
Shit can happen anywhere anytime. There is no rule that says it can't happen
again. Might be a good idea to check the securing mechanism yourself.
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761938 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 09:16 |
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drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
> The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
> accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
>
There is supposed to a secondary bonnet catch so if the first catch
fails then the bonnet is still prevented from coming open.
My question would be is why did the second catch fail?
Bolts vibrating loose on a 4WD used on rough roads is not uncommon and
to a certain extent is to be expected, such things should be checked at
service time and should also be noticed by the owner/driver when doing
regular under bonnet checks as per the owners manual which of course you
always do?
Daryl
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761939 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 10:42 |
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D Walford wrote:
> drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
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> > The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
> > accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
> >
>
> There is supposed to a secondary bonnet catch so if the first catch
> fails then the bonnet is still prevented from coming open.
> My question would be is why did the second catch fail?
I'm unaware of the existence of a second catch--can you enlighten me?
Is it visible in the photos I've posted?
> Bolts vibrating loose on a 4WD used on rough roads is not uncommon and
> to a certain extent is to be expected, such things should be checked at
> service time and should also be noticed by the owner/driver when doing
> regular under bonnet checks as per the owners manual which of course you
> always do?
Since the car has done <60 000 km I didn't think loose bolts would be
an issue; and if they were, I thought Land Rover would note it in the
manual and/or inspect these bolts at service.
>
>
>
> Daryl
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761940 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 11:06 |
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<drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au> wrote in message
news:1149488362.500342.305070 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Has anyone heard of this happening to Land Rovers?
Nah, the weight of the spare tyre, shovel & pick guaranteed mine to never
lift, I pretty much avoided lifting it as much as I could rarely saw any
good news in there :)
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761941 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 11:14 |
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The secondary bonnet catch is useless in this situation as the actual
bolting mechanism has come off.
"D Walford" <walford [at] iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:4483da38$0$500$61c65585 [at] uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
>
>> The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
>> accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
>>
>
> There is supposed to a secondary bonnet catch so if the first catch fails
> then the bonnet is still prevented from coming open.
> My question would be is why did the second catch fail?
> Bolts vibrating loose on a 4WD used on rough roads is not uncommon and to
> a certain extent is to be expected, such things should be checked at
> service time and should also be noticed by the owner/driver when doing
> regular under bonnet checks as per the owners manual which of course you
> always do?
>
>
>
> Daryl
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761942 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 11:14 |
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On or around 4 Jun 2006 23:19:22 -0700, drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au enlightened
us thusly:
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>Has anyone heard of this happening to Land Rovers?
can't say as I have, personally.
>
>The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
>accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
loctite on the bolts. They shouldn't be able to come loose.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Too Busy: Your mind is like a motorway. Sometimes it can be jammed by
too much traffic. Avoid the jams by never using your mind on a
Bank Holiday weekend.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761944 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 12:57 |
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Austin Shackles wrote:
.....
> >
> >The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
> >accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
>
> loctite on the bolts. They shouldn't be able to come loose.
>
That was my thought too, but the smash repairer said then they'd never
be able to be undone, if required (when would that be?). He suspected I
bought a "Friday afternoon" car, and that possibly some spring washers
were omitted.
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761945 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 12:31 |
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On 5 Jun 2006 01:42:44 -0700, drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
>> There is supposed to a secondary bonnet catch so if the first catch
>> fails then the bonnet is still prevented from coming open.
>> My question would be is why did the second catch fail?
It didn't. If you look at the pictures it is still latched to the front
valance in No.5. What has happened is that combined secondary latch and
primary lock unit has become detached from the bonnet. There are only two
bolts holding that unit to the bonnet if they fall out...
> I'm unaware of the existence of a second catch--can you enlighten me?
So you haven't been doing the weekly checks on fluids etc as per the User
Manual. You would know about the secondary latch if you had, as you
shouldn't be able to open the bonnet without releasing it.
> Is it visible in the photos I've posted?
Yes, in No.5 but it should be attched to the bonnet just below the gap in
the seal in No.4.
> Since the car has done <60 000 km I didn't think loose bolts would be
> an issue; and if they were, I thought Land Rover would note it in the
> manual and/or inspect these bolts at service.
It's not a service item and three years is ample time for a couple of
small bolts to work loose. Once a bolt is loose it'll work it's way out
surprisngly quickly, like hours or less.
Shit happens, but the attitude of Customer Care leaves a little to be
desired but that may be down to a reaction against your apparently
agressive attitude. If you want people to do things for you, don't upset
them. Human nature being what it is means that some one annoyed by
someone will do the minimum required (or by the book). Get them on your
side and more stops are likely to be pulled out to assist you and get you
what you want.
--
Cheers new5pam [at] howhill.com
Dave. pam is missing e-mail
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761946 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 13:24 |
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drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
> D Walford wrote:
>
>>drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
>>>accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
>>>
>>
>>There is supposed to a secondary bonnet catch so if the first catch
>>fails then the bonnet is still prevented from coming open.
>>My question would be is why did the second catch fail?
>
>
> I'm unaware of the existence of a second catch--can you enlighten me?
> Is it visible in the photos I've posted?
>
I should of looked at the photos before, the second catch is the yellow
lever you lift to open the bonnet.
Both catches are attached to the bonnet by the same 2 bolts which IMO is
a bad design.
>
>>Bolts vibrating loose on a 4WD used on rough roads is not uncommon and
>>to a certain extent is to be expected, such things should be checked at
>>service time and should also be noticed by the owner/driver when doing
>>regular under bonnet checks as per the owners manual which of course you
>>always do?
>
>
> Since the car has done <60 000 km I didn't think loose bolts would be
> an issue; and if they were, I thought Land Rover would note it in the
> manual and/or inspect these bolts at service.
How much off road have you done, corrugations will shake even the
tightest bolts loose?
I'm surprised you didn't notice something wrong ong before the bolts
fell completely out.
Daryl
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761947 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 13:34 |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
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>
> Shit happens, but the attitude of Customer Care leaves a little to be
> desired but that may be down to a reaction against your apparently
> agressive attitude. If you want people to do things for you, don't upset
> them. Human nature being what it is means that some one annoyed by
> someone will do the minimum required (or by the book). Get them on your
> side and more stops are likely to be pulled out to assist you and get you
> what you want.
>
> --
> Cheers new5pam [at] howhill.com
> Dave. pam is missing e-mail
I agree with you Dave. I was polite to all I spoke to at Land Rover
Customer Care and thought that they would understand the severity of
our experience. Several did understand and could put themselves in our
shoes, however the ones that had the power to make things better chose
to not to. Thus it seems to me that the latter were thinking about the
bottom line rather than their customer; i.e. they didn't seem to "care".
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761948 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 13:35 |
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drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
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>
> See photos at: http://home.people.net.au/~wabbaly/Disco%20Bonnet%
> 20Release%20at%2060%20kmh/
......
Also posted the photos at a more permanent site:
http://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/d2au/photos/browse/c0 2f
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761949 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 13:36 |
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Zodiac wrote:
> The secondary bonnet catch is useless in this situation as the actual
> bolting mechanism has come off.
>
Correct, I didn't look at the photos the first time around.
IMO thats not a good design, the secondary catch is supposed to stop the
bonnet flying open if the first catch fails but it can't work if it all
falls off.
BTW I went and looked under the bonnets of my 2 Toyota's (Hilux and
Corolla), the bonnet latches are a different design but if the bolts
came loose then the result would be the same as what happened to the
Disco so the Toyota design isn't really much safer.
Daryl
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761950 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 14:30 |
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In article <4484172b$0$508$61c65585 [at] uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, D Walford <walford [at] iprimus.com.au> writes:
> BTW I went and looked under the bonnets of my 2 Toyota's (Hilux and
> Corolla), the bonnet latches are a different design but if the bolts
> came loose then the result would be the same as what happened to the
> Disco so the Toyota design isn't really much safer.
As Damo also found. Two reported cases of this in as many
weeks ...
Adds bonnet release failure to front tire failure as phobias ... as
well as the health related thread. Fuck! at this rate I'm not even
gunna get out of bed in the morning for fear of breaking meself.
URK!
--
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4x4 Hilux Auto Service Centre,
BP 106 Timbuktu,
Mali (West Africa)
Tel: 292 91 52
Specialising in turbo diesel and R290 aircon
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761951 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 14:32 |
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On 4 Jun 2006 23:19:22 -0700, drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
> Travelling at 60 km/h on the Glow Worm Tunnel Rd, Newnes State Forest
> several weeks ago, the bonnet smacked into the windscreen without
> warning. Luckily the road was straight and there were no on-coming
> cars-I stopped the vehicle without further incident. Upon inspection,
> two bolt/screws that hold a bonnet plate that engages into the
> release levers were found loose in the engine bay (on the bar above
> the radiator).
>
> See photos at: http://home.people.net.au/~wabbaly/Disco%20Bonnet%
> 20Release%20at%2060%20kmh/
>
> With some difficulty the three of us lowered the bonnet, carefully
> manipulating the wipers under the bonnet's lower edge (they were in
> that position because of the accident). Because there was no phone
> reception, we couldn't call Land Rover's Roadside Assist, therefore
> we tied the bonnet down and drown slowly home and called there.
>
> Had the bonnet spontaneously released itself minutes before or after,
> the three of us could have crashed into a pine tree or sandstone road
> cutting. We are so fortunate the accident took place where it did.
>
> The car: Was I driving an old Disco. No, it's a 2003 Land Rover
> Discovery, Series II, purchased Dec 2003,
> under warranty until Dec 2006. Serviced by the book by Land Rover
> service centres.
>
> Land Rover "Customer Care" were initially reluctant to provide us
> with a replacement car or cover the costs of towing. This, and other
> behaviour, was totally disrespectful considering that the three of us
> could have died due to the malfunction had it occurred elsewhere.
> Particular mention must be made of Andrew Howard and Maggie
> (Margaret) Horesch (National Customer Care Manager for LRA) both of
> whom work in Melbourne--they have shown complete disreguard for our
> circumstance--I hope none of you have to deal with them when it
> really matters.
>
> Has anyone heard of this happening to Land Rovers?
>
> The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
> accident happen?
Is this a troll??????
I mean no-one could possibly have been unaware of LR's shite attitude
to their customers *after_the_sale* ?
Their shite design?
Their shite build quality?
Yeah - It has to be a troll..
Anyway, in the extremely unlikely event your piece was not a troll, LR
is at this moment kicking themselves severely up th' arse for offering
that very un-traditional longish warranty.
So, you can be pleased you've had 'some' impact on the bastards.
> Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
You're kidding if you dn't know the answer to that - troll or no
troll:-)
--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761952 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 14:39 |
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drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
> D Walford wrote:
> > drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
> >
> > > The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
> > > accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
> > >
> >
> > There is supposed to a secondary bonnet catch so if the first catch
> > fails then the bonnet is still prevented from coming open.
> > My question would be is why did the second catch fail?
>
> I'm unaware of the existence of a second catch--can you enlighten me?
> Is it visible in the photos I've posted?
Its normally in place to prevent the bonnet from flying up.
>
> > Bolts vibrating loose on a 4WD used on rough roads is not uncommon and
> > to a certain extent is to be expected, such things should be checked at
> > service time and should also be noticed by the owner/driver when doing
> > regular under bonnet checks as per the owners manual which of course you
> > always do?
>
> Since the car has done <60 000 km I didn't think loose bolts would be
> an issue; and if they were, I thought Land Rover would note it in the
> manual and/or inspect these bolts at service.
>
Nah......you might aswell check that you have your cloths on.
You need Bonnet Pins
http://www.speedzone.com.au/trader.asp?product=1921&id=5 624
Age old solution for families with bonnet problems.
Landrover should install them for you
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761953 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 14:35 |
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Patrick Young <patrick [at] hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> wrote:
> In article <4484172b$0$508$61c65585 [at] uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, D Walford <walford [at] iprimus.com.au> writes:
>
>
>>BTW I went and looked under the bonnets of my 2 Toyota's (Hilux and
>>Corolla), the bonnet latches are a different design but if the bolts
>>came loose then the result would be the same as what happened to the
>>Disco so the Toyota design isn't really much safer.
>
>
> As Damo also found. Two reported cases of this in as many
> weeks ...
>
A good case for fitting extra bonnet tie downs as required by race cars
rules.
> Adds bonnet release failure to front tire failure as phobias ... as
> well as the health related thread. Fuck! at this rate I'm not even
> gunna get out of bed in the morning for fear of breaking meself.
I've never experienced either but a car still managed to stuff my knee
last week:-)
Hopefully I'll find out what's damaged tomorrow.
Daryl
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761954 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 15:08 |
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In article <1149507242.479301.87890 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au says...
>
> Dave Liquorice wrote:
> ....
> >
> > Shit happens, but the attitude of Customer Care leaves a little to be
> > desired but that may be down to a reaction against your apparently
> > agressive attitude. If you want people to do things for you, don't upset
> > them. Human nature being what it is means that some one annoyed by
> > someone will do the minimum required (or by the book). Get them on your
> > side and more stops are likely to be pulled out to assist you and get you
> > what you want.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers new5pam [at] howhill.com
> > Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>
> I agree with you Dave. I was polite to all I spoke to at Land Rover
> Customer Care and thought that they would understand the severity of
> our experience. Several did understand and could put themselves in our
> shoes, however the ones that had the power to make things better chose
> to not to. Thus it seems to me that the latter were thinking about the
> bottom line rather than their customer; i.e. they didn't seem to "care".
>
>
Should have bought a Lada. It opens the other way.
Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761955 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 15:35 |
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On or around 5 Jun 2006 03:57:24 -0700, "drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au"
<drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au> enlightened us thusly:
>
>Austin Shackles wrote:
>....
>> >
>> >The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
>> >accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
>>
>> loctite on the bolts. They shouldn't be able to come loose.
>>
>That was my thought too, but the smash repairer said then they'd never
>be able to be undone, if required (when would that be?). He suspected I
>bought a "Friday afternoon" car, and that possibly some spring washers
>were omitted.
you can get the sort of loctite that's undoable. and anyway, how often does
the bonnet catch need undoing?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761958 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 17:18 |
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drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au came up with the following;:
> Has anyone heard of this happening to Land Rovers?
Not mine, but the front corners of the bonnet do move somewhat alarmingly at
speeds above 60mph on the motorways.
> The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
> accident happen?
It does look like you [1] just haven't spotted the bolts and catch are loose
when you've been doing the normal, everyday checks we [2] all do.
> Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
The normal, everyday checks we all do, but add one, for your own piece of
mind, that includes checking the bonnet release. Actually I have to spray
mine regularly with WD40/Plusgas etc to keep it free .. it always seems to
stiffen up after a few weeks.
[1] I do also mean any service 'personnel' who might have been doing the
servicing.
[2] That's the royal 'we', I don't pretend to speak for everyone, but mean
'we' as a family of drivers. :)
--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761961 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 21:51 |
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Magic Mushroom Farmer <jjbruce [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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> drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
>> ...
>> Since the car has done <60 000 km I didn't think loose bolts would be
>> an issue; and if they were, I thought Land Rover would note it in the
>> manual and/or inspect these bolts at service.
>>
> Nah......you might aswell check that you have your cloths on.
> You need Bonnet Pins
and some simple fear - it's a great safety feature. having had exactly
this happen to me in a MKIV zephyr/zodic/whatever way back when a youth I
constantly monitor bonnet status just as I monitor where traffic is around
me, coolant temp, etc....
When the 110 decided to release the bonnet it was caught nicely by the
secondary catch - failure was sticky release cable.
--
William Tasso
110 V8
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761963 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 22:49 |
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<drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au> wrote in message
news:1149488362.500342.305070 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Travelling at 60 km/h on the Glow Worm Tunnel Rd, Newnes State Forest
<SNIP>
>
> Has anyone heard of this happening to Land Rovers?
**Well, it is a Pommy car, you know. Why are you surprised that the Poms
still build crap vehicles? The only other time I am aware that this occurred
was when my high school girlfriend was having a driving lesson with one of
my mates. His Morris Minor lost it's bonnet in the same way. Flew right over
the top of the car, after hitting the windscreen. My girlfriend was lucky to
survive.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761964 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 22:52 |
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Austin Shackles wrote:
......
> >That was my thought too, but the smash repairer said then they'd never
> >be able to be undone, if required (when would that be?). He suspected I
> >bought a "Friday afternoon" car, and that possibly some spring washers
> >were omitted.
>
> you can get the sort of loctite that's undoable. and anyway, how often does
> the bonnet catch need undoing?
> --
Yeah, I agree. That's an option that I like.
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761965 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 22:59 |
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
<Snipped antipodean racist shite>
knobhead> My girlfriend was lucky to survive.
You sure about that cunt?
>
>
> --
> Trevor Wilson
> www.rageaudio.com.au
--
Subaru WRX
Range Rover 4.6 HSE (The Tank!)
We might be going on a summer holiday, the Greece Ball rally!!!!
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761966 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 23:23 |
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On or around 5 Jun 2006 13:52:19 -0700, "drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au"
<drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au> enlightened us thusly:
>
>Austin Shackles wrote:
>.....
>> >That was my thought too, but the smash repairer said then they'd never
>> >be able to be undone, if required (when would that be?). He suspected I
>> >bought a "Friday afternoon" car, and that possibly some spring washers
>> >were omitted.
>>
>> you can get the sort of loctite that's undoable. and anyway, how often does
>> the bonnet catch need undoing?
>> --
>
>Yeah, I agree. That's an option that I like.
they put blue loctite or simialr on brake caliper bolts on some stuff.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #761967 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 23:42 |
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"Nige" <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF [at] btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:6ZSdneK4AojeBhnZnZ2dnUVZ8t2dnZ2d [at] pipex.net...
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
> <Snipped antipodean racist shite>
**Nope. No racist shite. Just the facts. Here's another fine example of
British automotive engineering:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Robin
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpztVxOtvQw&search=Top%20Gear
And another:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Herald
One of my mates used to own a Range Rover. After a ski trip in one, I
remarked that the only part of the car which moved quickly, on depressing
the accelerator pedal was the tacho. It was a slow, expensive, unreliable
piece of shit. But hey, defend it all you want.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767047 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 02:17 |
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Paul - xxx wrote:
> drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au came up with the following;:
>
>> Has anyone heard of this happening to Land Rovers?
>
>
> Not mine, but the front corners of the bonnet do move somewhat
> alarmingly at speeds above 60mph on the motorways.
>
>> The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
>> accident happen?
>
>
> It does look like you [1] just haven't spotted the bolts and catch are
> loose when you've been doing the normal, everyday checks we [2] all do.
>
>> Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
>
>
> The normal, everyday checks we all do, but add one, for your own piece
> of mind, that includes checking the bonnet release. Actually I have to
> spray mine regularly with WD40/Plusgas etc to keep it free .. it always
> seems to stiffen up after a few weeks.
>
> [1] I do also mean any service 'personnel' who might have been doing the
> servicing.
>
> [2] That's the royal 'we', I don't pretend to speak for everyone, but
> mean 'we' as a family of drivers. :)
>
Too many drivers of modern cars almost never open the bonnet of their
vehicle to do basic checks.
Many drivers seem to think that nothing under the bonnet needs checking
inbetween services which in a way is a tribute to the reliablity of
modern vehicles but IMO its wrong and can lead to problems which would
of otherwise been found and rectified long before they became dangerous.
Daryl
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767049 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 13:34 |
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On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:42:09 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor [at] SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>"Nige" <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF [at] btinternet.com> wrote in message
>news:6ZSdneK4AojeBhnZnZ2dnUVZ8t2dnZ2d [at] pipex.net...
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>> <Snipped antipodean racist shite>
>
>**Nope. No racist shite. Just the facts. Here's another fine example of
>British automotive engineering:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Robin
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpztVxOtvQw&search=Top%20Gear
>
>And another:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Herald
>
>One of my mates used to own a Range Rover. After a ski trip in one, I
>remarked that the only part of the car which moved quickly, on depressing
>the accelerator pedal was the tacho. It was a slow, expensive, unreliable
>piece of shit. But hey, defend it all you want.
The fuel gauges also move very fast on range rovers! ;-)
Youve noticed this thread is going out in alt.fan.landrover too? which
is also fairly UK based, so theres just no need to start trolling!
There are plenty of Aussie things we could pick on if we tried!
I also dont see how anybody could take offence to a reliant robin or
triumph herald! Sure they may have their faults, but so does
everything and they are somewhat more intersting than the majority of
new cars on the road that all look the same..
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767050 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 15:26 |
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Albm&ctd wrote:
> Should have bought a Lada. It opens the other way.
Or a Saab... <SLAP> Ouch!
--
ant
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767051 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 15:22 |
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On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:42:09 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor [at] SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpztVxOtvQw&search=Top%20Gear
>
ROFL, anyone who would buy a three wheel vehicle is getting just waht
they ask for! Fun!!!
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767054 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 22:34 |
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
> "Nige" <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF [at] btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:6ZSdneK4AojeBhnZnZ2dnUVZ8t2dnZ2d [at] pipex.net...
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>> <Snipped antipodean racist shite>
>
> **Nope. No racist shite. Just the facts. Here's another fine example of
> British automotive engineering:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Robin
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpztVxOtvQw&search=Top%20Gear
>
> And another:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Herald
>
> One of my mates used to own a Range Rover. After a ski trip in one, I
> remarked that the only part of the car which moved quickly, on depressing
> the accelerator pedal was the tacho. It was a slow, expensive, unreliable
> piece of shit. But hey, defend it all you want.
>
>
If you want to rubbish British motor engineering using Reliant as an
example, you are inviting them to bring up the Lightburn Zeta as an example
of Australian engineering. Most Australians would prefer to forget it.
JD
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767055 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 00:22 |
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpztVxOtvQw&search=Top%20Gear
LOL, the panels flexed then looked "good as new" once the car stopped
rolling. The bonnet even closed itself. LOL
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767056 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 11:14 |
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On or around Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:09 -0400, PeterD <peter2 [at] hipson.net>
enlightened us thusly:
>On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:42:09 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
><trevor [at] SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpztVxOtvQw&search=Top%20Gear
>>
>
>ROFL, anyone who would buy a three wheel vehicle is getting just waht
>they ask for! Fun!!!
mind, I've long thought than Needell has way to much opinon of himself and a
lack of convincing ability to match it.
you could do that trick with *any* car.
having owned and driven various reliants, and yes, crashed 'em too, they're
a bloody sight more fun than most people think.
and FWIW, I've seen 90 on the clock on a robin.
also interesting to note how relatively unscathed it is, too, afterwards.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767057 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 14:18 |
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drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
> The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
> accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
Bolts vibrating loose are definitely a fact of life on vehicles used on
rough roads. The lack of inspection of this item is less LR's fault and
more a side effect of the fucked up Australian system of having no
periodic vehicle safety inspections. If you had a system like the UK or
NZ where the MOT/WOF checked such items it is unlikely that the problem
would have occurred. As you don't it might be worth investing a bit of
money in getting a reputable mechanic to have a regular look
under/around the vehicle at items that are not normally part of routine
servicing.
--
EMB
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767059 ] |
Thu, 08 June 2006 05:19 |
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In aus.cars Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM [at] ddol-las.net> wrote:
> having owned and driven various reliants, and yes, crashed 'em too, they're
> a bloody sight more fun than most people think.
> and FWIW, I've seen 90 on the clock on a robin.
> also interesting to note how relatively unscathed it is, too, afterwards.
Yes, but was it on LPG? Oops - wrong group. :-p
--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace.
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767060 ] |
Thu, 08 June 2006 07:13 |
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In article <e66g4l$lvk$1 [at] lust.ihug.co.nz>, embtwo [at] gmail.com says...
> money in getting a reputable mechanic to have a regular look
> under/around the vehicle at items that are not normally part of routine
> servicing.
>
That *IS* part of regular servicing by dealers and dealers do have a
problem with the wage they pay to competent mechanics.
Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767061 ] |
Thu, 08 June 2006 09:23 |
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Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article <e66g4l$lvk$1 [at] lust.ihug.co.nz>, embtwo [at] gmail.com says...
>
> > money in getting a reputable mechanic to have a regular look
> > under/around the vehicle at items that are not normally part of routine
> > servicing.
> >
> That *IS* part of regular servicing by dealers and dealers do have a
> problem with the wage they pay to competent mechanics.
>
> Al
> --
> I don't take sides.
> It's more fun to insult everyone.
> http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
Land Rover have taken responsibility, and although they've acknowledged
they do not check these bolts when servicing, one could infer they
should have. Otherwise they'd treat the matter like a punctured
tyre--owner's responsibility.
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767062 ] |
Thu, 08 June 2006 10:40 |
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On or around 08 Jun 2006 03:19:17 GMT, athol <me [at] privacy.net> enlightened us
thusly:
>In aus.cars Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM [at] ddol-las.net> wrote:
>
>> having owned and driven various reliants, and yes, crashed 'em too, they're
>> a bloody sight more fun than most people think.
>
>> and FWIW, I've seen 90 on the clock on a robin.
>
>> also interesting to note how relatively unscathed it is, too, afterwards.
>
>Yes, but was it on LPG? Oops - wrong group. :-p
I have actually seen a Robin with, apparently, an LPG conversion.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767063 ] |
Thu, 08 June 2006 11:00 |
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On 2006-06-08, Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM [at] ddol-las.net> wrote:
> I have actually seen a Robin with, apparently, an LPG conversion.
What, did they just open the boot, aim the tank and knock the valve off?
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
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| Re: Land Rover Discovery bonnet release at 60 km/h [message #767064 ] |
Thu, 08 June 2006 11:20 |
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drystone [at] swiftdsl.com.au wrote:
> Albm&ctd wrote:
>
>>In article <e66g4l$lvk$1 [at] lust.ihug.co.nz>, embtwo [at] gmail.com says...
>>
>>
>>>money in getting a reputable mechanic to have a regular look
>>>under/around the vehicle at items that are not normally part of routine
>>>servicing.
>>>
>>
>>That *IS* part of regular servicing by dealers and dealers do have a
>>problem with the wage they pay to competent mechanics.
>>
>>Al
>>--
>>I don't take sides.
>>It's more fun to insult everyone.
>>http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
>
>
> Land Rover have taken responsibility, and although they've acknowledged
> they do not check these bolts when servicing, one could infer they
> should have. Otherwise they'd treat the matter like a punctured
> tyre--owner's responsibility.
>
Good result.
How much yelling was needed to get them to cooperate?
Daryl
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