| An idle question.. [message #487970] |
Sat, 15 October 2005 02:37 |
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I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle is barely above my
1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to worry about? The bike
runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at 1200 will take a couple
hours and requires a special tester. After all the years with carburetors, I
don't have a clue here.
TIA,
Gerry
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #487971 ] |
Sat, 15 October 2005 02:50 |
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"gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6fSdnYvjIojF0s3enZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle
> is barely above my 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is
> this anything to worry about? The bike runs fine and the
> shop says to put the cold idle at 1200 will take a couple
> hours and requires a special tester. After all the years
> with carburetors, I don't have a clue here.
> TIA,
> Gerry
if you're cold idle is over 1K ?
no worries...
my2¢
--
"Key"
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #487973 ] |
Sat, 15 October 2005 03:01 |
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gerry gardiner wrote:
> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle is barely above my
> 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to worry about? The bike
> runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at 1200 will take a couple
> hours and requires a special tester. After all the years with carburetors, I
> don't have a clue here.
> TIA,
> Gerry
Take some carb cleaner and clean the throttle bores. It might just be gummed up
a bit. If not it's simple to change the idle speed of the marelli injection. Get
a manual so you know where the fast idle and curb idle screws are.
Roger
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #487974 ] |
Sat, 15 October 2005 03:17 |
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"Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:435054F2.BF165A82 [at] adelphia.net...
>
>
> gerry gardiner wrote:
>
>> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle is barely above
>> my
>> 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to worry about? The
>> bike
>> runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at 1200 will take a
>> couple
>> hours and requires a special tester. After all the years with
>> carburetors, I
>> don't have a clue here.
>> TIA,
>> Gerry
>
>
>
>
> Take some carb cleaner and clean the throttle bores. It might just be
> gummed up
> a bit. If not it's simple to change the idle speed of the marelli
> injection. Get
> a manual so you know where the fast idle and curb idle screws are.
I've adjusted them in the past and there seemed to be some interaction
between the two. In your experience, are you saying just adjust one when
cold and the other when hot? Seems simple enough, but the last time it took
2 days of going back and forth to get it perfect.
Maybe I just screwed up last time. Going out to use the cleaner now.
Sometimes I forget the easy stuff.
Thanks, Gerry
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #487977 ] |
Sat, 15 October 2005 04:02 |
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gerry gardiner wrote:
> "Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:435054F2.BF165A82 [at] adelphia.net...
> >
> >
> > gerry gardiner wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle is barely above
> >> my
> >> 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to worry about? The
> >> bike
> >> runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at 1200 will take a
> >> couple
> >> hours and requires a special tester. After all the years with
> >> carburetors, I
> >> don't have a clue here.
> >> TIA,
> >> Gerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Take some carb cleaner and clean the throttle bores. It might just be
> > gummed up
> > a bit. If not it's simple to change the idle speed of the marelli
> > injection. Get
> > a manual so you know where the fast idle and curb idle screws are.
>
> I've adjusted them in the past and there seemed to be some interaction
> between the two. In your experience, are you saying just adjust one when
> cold and the other when hot?
Yep, just like the choke settings on a car except the fast idle is controlled
by an IAC motor. Wait until it's stone cold, remove the air filter, cycle the
ignition on and off once to make sure the idle controller is working. Reset the
fast idle screw up or down as you want your idle speed and start the engine to
see if it's where you want it. Only run it for a few seconds enough for the
idle to stabilize. If it's not where you want it then do it over. Make sure you
cycle the ignition at least once.
For the hot idle ride it until it's completely warmed up and then set the idle
where you want it.
> Seems simple enough,
It is but it can be tedious.
> but the last time it took
> 2 days of going back and forth to get it perfect.
A little practice and it gets a lot easier.
>
> Maybe I just screwed up last time. Going out to use the cleaner now.
> Sometimes I forget the easy stuff.
> Thanks, Gerry
Yeah mine would get dirty after about three or four months and the difference
in idle speed was noticeable. Unlike the Delphi the throttle plates on the
Marelli control the idle speed completely so if the ecm sets them at the same
position every time for cold start and the air flow is restricted by gunk build
up it will not idle as fast as it does normally. It's a gradual change and like
a lot of things sometimes you don't notice it until it's gotten pretty bad.
Roger
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #487986 ] |
Sat, 15 October 2005 06:21 |
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"gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:xPGdnXfjEbwkxc3eRVn-gA [at] comcast.com...
>
> "Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:435054F2.BF165A82 [at] adelphia.net...
>>
>>
>> gerry gardiner wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle
>>> is barely above my
>>> 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to
>>> worry about? The bike
>>> runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at 1200
>>> will take a couple
>>> hours and requires a special tester. After all the years
>>> with carburetors, I
>>> don't have a clue here.
>>> TIA,
>>> Gerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Take some carb cleaner and clean the throttle bores. It
>> might just be gummed up
>> a bit. If not it's simple to change the idle speed of the
>> marelli injection. Get
>> a manual so you know where the fast idle and curb idle
>> screws are.
>
>
> I've adjusted them in the past and there seemed to be some
> interaction between the two. In your experience, are you
> saying just adjust one when cold and the other when hot?
> Seems simple enough, but the last time it took 2 days of
> going back and forth to get it perfect.
> Maybe I just screwed up last time. Going out to use the
> cleaner now. Sometimes I forget the easy stuff.
> Thanks, Gerry
I use
Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner
http://www.eliteone.com/lucas/fuel.htm
you can get it in most parts stores cheaper..
g'luck
--
"Key"
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #487988 ] |
Sat, 15 October 2005 06:34 |
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"gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6fSdnYvjIojF0s3enZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle
> is barely above my 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is
> this anything to worry about? The bike runs fine and the
> shop says to put the cold idle at 1200 will take a couple
> hours and requires a special tester. After all the years
> with carburetors, I don't have a clue here.
> TIA,
> Gerry
I use
Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner
http://www.eliteone.com/lucas/fuel.htm
you can get it in most parts stores cheaper..
g'luck
--
"Key"
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #487994 ] |
Sat, 15 October 2005 22:39 |
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'Key wrote:
> "gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:xPGdnXfjEbwkxc3eRVn-gA [at] comcast.com...
> >
> > "Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:435054F2.BF165A82 [at] adelphia.net...
> >>
> >>
> >> gerry gardiner wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle
> >>> is barely above my
> >>> 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to
> >>> worry about? The bike
> >>> runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at 1200
> >>> will take a couple
> >>> hours and requires a special tester. After all the years
> >>> with carburetors, I
> >>> don't have a clue here.
> >>> TIA,
> >>> Gerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Take some carb cleaner and clean the throttle bores. It
> >> might just be gummed up
> >> a bit. If not it's simple to change the idle speed of the
> >> marelli injection. Get
> >> a manual so you know where the fast idle and curb idle
> >> screws are.
> >
> >
> > I've adjusted them in the past and there seemed to be some
> > interaction between the two. In your experience, are you
> > saying just adjust one when cold and the other when hot?
> > Seems simple enough, but the last time it took 2 days of
> > going back and forth to get it perfect.
> > Maybe I just screwed up last time. Going out to use the
> > cleaner now. Sometimes I forget the easy stuff.
> > Thanks, Gerry
>
> I use
> Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner
> http://www.eliteone.com/lucas/fuel.htm
>
> you can get it in most parts stores cheaper..
>
> g'luck
> --
> "Key"
Yeah but injectors rarely get dirty. The problem he has is common and
an $0.89 can of spray carb cleaner from Autozone will do exactly what he
needs.
Roger
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #487996 ] |
Sun, 16 October 2005 05:55 |
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"Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:435168E9.478C4F4A [at] adelphia.net...
>
>
> 'Key wrote:
>
>> "gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:xPGdnXfjEbwkxc3eRVn-gA [at] comcast.com...
>> >
>> > "Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> > news:435054F2.BF165A82 [at] adelphia.net...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> gerry gardiner wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold
>> >>> idle
>> >>> is barely above my
>> >>> 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to
>> >>> worry about? The bike
>> >>> runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at
>> >>> 1200
>> >>> will take a couple
>> >>> hours and requires a special tester. After all the
>> >>> years
>> >>> with carburetors, I
>> >>> don't have a clue here.
>> >>> TIA,
>> >>> Gerry
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Take some carb cleaner and clean the throttle bores.
>> >> It
>> >> might just be gummed up
>> >> a bit. If not it's simple to change the idle speed of
>> >> the
>> >> marelli injection. Get
>> >> a manual so you know where the fast idle and curb idle
>> >> screws are.
>> >
>> >
>> > I've adjusted them in the past and there seemed to be
>> > some
>> > interaction between the two. In your experience, are
>> > you
>> > saying just adjust one when cold and the other when
>> > hot?
>> > Seems simple enough, but the last time it took 2 days
>> > of
>> > going back and forth to get it perfect.
>> > Maybe I just screwed up last time. Going out to use the
>> > cleaner now. Sometimes I forget the easy stuff.
>> > Thanks, Gerry
>>
>> I use
>> Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner
>> http://www.eliteone.com/lucas/fuel.htm
>>
>> you can get it in most parts stores cheaper..
>>
>> g'luck
>> --
>> "Key"
>
>
>
> Yeah but injectors rarely get dirty. The problem he has is
> common and
> an $0.89 can of spray carb cleaner from Autozone will do
> exactly what he
> needs.
>
>
>
> Roger
>
I agree....
its just that the periodic use
(every 4th or 5th tank) of
Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner is good preventive maintenance.
its worked for me for years..
however, I am carbureted not injected.
just figure it couldn't hurt in an EFI.
correct me if I am wrong...
--
"Key"
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #487999 ] |
Sun, 16 October 2005 16:56 |
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'Key wrote:
> "Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:435168E9.478C4F4A [at] adelphia.net...
> >
> >
> > 'Key wrote:
> >
> >> "gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:xPGdnXfjEbwkxc3eRVn-gA [at] comcast.com...
> >> >
> >> > "Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:435054F2.BF165A82 [at] adelphia.net...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> gerry gardiner wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold
> >> >>> idle
> >> >>> is barely above my
> >> >>> 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to
> >> >>> worry about? The bike
> >> >>> runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at
> >> >>> 1200
> >> >>> will take a couple
> >> >>> hours and requires a special tester. After all the
> >> >>> years
> >> >>> with carburetors, I
> >> >>> don't have a clue here.
> >> >>> TIA,
> >> >>> Gerry
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Take some carb cleaner and clean the throttle bores.
> >> >> It
> >> >> might just be gummed up
> >> >> a bit. If not it's simple to change the idle speed of
> >> >> the
> >> >> marelli injection. Get
> >> >> a manual so you know where the fast idle and curb idle
> >> >> screws are.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I've adjusted them in the past and there seemed to be
> >> > some
> >> > interaction between the two. In your experience, are
> >> > you
> >> > saying just adjust one when cold and the other when
> >> > hot?
> >> > Seems simple enough, but the last time it took 2 days
> >> > of
> >> > going back and forth to get it perfect.
> >> > Maybe I just screwed up last time. Going out to use the
> >> > cleaner now. Sometimes I forget the easy stuff.
> >> > Thanks, Gerry
> >>
> >> I use
> >> Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner
> >> http://www.eliteone.com/lucas/fuel.htm
> >>
> >> you can get it in most parts stores cheaper..
> >>
> >> g'luck
> >> --
> >> "Key"
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah but injectors rarely get dirty. The problem he has is
> > common and
> > an $0.89 can of spray carb cleaner from Autozone will do
> > exactly what he
> > needs.
> >
> >
> >
> > Roger
> >
> I agree....
> its just that the periodic use
> (every 4th or 5th tank) of
> Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner is good preventive maintenance.
>
> its worked for me for years..
> however, I am carbureted not injected.
> just figure it couldn't hurt in an EFI.
>
> correct me if I am wrong...
> --
> "Key"
Over use of fuel system cleaning products in time will damage the
rubber and plastic components of the fuel system. I have seen on cars
the fuel injectors completely plugged by the plastic in the fuel system
being dissolved by fuel inj system cleaners. I have seen the plastic
fuel tanks dissolved to the point where they actually leaked. There has
never been any proof of any kind that using fuel system cleaners
actually does anything. I work on fleet vehicles with well in excess of
300K miles that have never had any type of fuel system cleaner in the
fuel system ever and they run perfectly.
On late model cars with OBDII the fuel system has a very specific
operating range and any small deviation from this will cut on the MIL or
Malfunction Indicator Lamp. On these extremely high mileage vehicles if
clogging of the fuel system was a problem this indicator light which
usually says Check Engine would come on immediately. If only one fuel
injector has the flow degraded slightly it would be enough for the
system to turn on the MIL. The MIL will illuminate because of the lean
fuel mixture on one cylinder will cause the system to enrich all of the
other cylinders while trying to correct for the lean mixture which is
being caused by one cylinder. I have seen this mostly on GM trucks.
Because of the sensitivity of the OBDII system on vehicles the injectors
have been refined to a point where you will not usually see any type of
problems with them. The exception of this may be the GM Truck poppet
valves. In this case it's not a fuel injector problem but a flaw in
design. Adding fuel injector cleaners to these vehicles doesn't have any
effect on their failure rate. Afaik they all fail eventually.
On a carbureted system if it is malfunctioning it should be
disassembled and repaired or rebuilt. On a fuel injected system if it
malfunctions it needs to be diagnosed and repaired. I repair a lot of
fuel injected vehicles and have spent a lot of money for the necessary
diagnostic equipment to do so. Other than the aforementioned GM truck I
have not replaced a fuel injector for clogging since back in the 1980's.
The fuel system cleaner you speak of certainly won't hurt anything if
used as directed but in my experience it won't help anything either. At
best it makes them money and cost you money.
I can really only equate this stuff to cars because I own a garage and
diagnose and repair automotive engine operating systems daily. The
motorcycle systems are not nearly as sophisticated as the automotive
systems. I'm sure the motorcycle systems do benefit from the advances in
technology made in the automotive world though.
Roger
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #488000 ] |
Sun, 16 October 2005 17:30 |
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There are no idle questions...
Just Idle minds...
--
ASSHOLE #104 Len
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #488010 ] |
Mon, 17 October 2005 03:50 |
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"Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:43526A35.18FB3592 [at] adelphia.net...
>
>
> 'Key wrote:
>
>> "Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> news:435168E9.478C4F4A [at] adelphia.net...
>> >
>> >
>> > 'Key wrote:
>> >
>> >> "gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:xPGdnXfjEbwkxc3eRVn-gA [at] comcast.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:435054F2.BF165A82 [at] adelphia.net...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> gerry gardiner wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my
>> >> >>> cold
>> >> >>> idle
>> >> >>> is barely above my
>> >> >>> 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> worry about? The bike
>> >> >>> runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle
>> >> >>> at
>> >> >>> 1200
>> >> >>> will take a couple
>> >> >>> hours and requires a special tester. After all the
>> >> >>> years
>> >> >>> with carburetors, I
>> >> >>> don't have a clue here.
>> >> >>> TIA,
>> >> >>> Gerry
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Take some carb cleaner and clean the throttle
>> >> >> bores.
>> >> >> It
>> >> >> might just be gummed up
>> >> >> a bit. If not it's simple to change the idle speed
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> marelli injection. Get
>> >> >> a manual so you know where the fast idle and curb
>> >> >> idle
>> >> >> screws are.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I've adjusted them in the past and there seemed to
>> >> > be
>> >> > some
>> >> > interaction between the two. In your experience, are
>> >> > you
>> >> > saying just adjust one when cold and the other when
>> >> > hot?
>> >> > Seems simple enough, but the last time it took 2
>> >> > days
>> >> > of
>> >> > going back and forth to get it perfect.
>> >> > Maybe I just screwed up last time. Going out to use
>> >> > the
>> >> > cleaner now. Sometimes I forget the easy stuff.
>> >> > Thanks, Gerry
>> >>
>> >> I use
>> >> Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner
>> >> http://www.eliteone.com/lucas/fuel.htm
>> >>
>> >> you can get it in most parts stores cheaper..
>> >>
>> >> g'luck
>> >> --
>> >> "Key"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yeah but injectors rarely get dirty. The problem he has
>> > is
>> > common and
>> > an $0.89 can of spray carb cleaner from Autozone will
>> > do
>> > exactly what he
>> > needs.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Roger
>> >
>> I agree....
>> its just that the periodic use
>> (every 4th or 5th tank) of
>> Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner is good preventive
>> maintenance.
>>
>> its worked for me for years..
>> however, I am carbureted not injected.
>> just figure it couldn't hurt in an EFI.
>>
>> correct me if I am wrong...
>> --
>> "Key"
>
> Over use of fuel system cleaning products in time will
> damage the
> rubber and plastic components of the fuel system. I have
> seen on cars
> the fuel injectors completely plugged by the plastic in
> the fuel system
> being dissolved by fuel inj system cleaners. I have seen
> the plastic
> fuel tanks dissolved to the point where they actually
> leaked. There has
> never been any proof of any kind that using fuel system
> cleaners
> actually does anything. I work on fleet vehicles with well
> in excess of
> 300K miles that have never had any type of fuel system
> cleaner in the
> fuel system ever and they run perfectly.
>
> On late model cars with OBDII the fuel system has a very
> specific
> operating range and any small deviation from this will cut
> on the MIL or
> Malfunction Indicator Lamp. On these extremely high
> mileage vehicles if
> clogging of the fuel system was a problem this indicator
> light which
> usually says Check Engine would come on immediately. If
> only one fuel
> injector has the flow degraded slightly it would be enough
> for the
> system to turn on the MIL. The MIL will illuminate because
> of the lean
> fuel mixture on one cylinder will cause the system to
> enrich all of the
> other cylinders while trying to correct for the lean
> mixture which is
> being caused by one cylinder. I have seen this mostly on
> GM trucks.
> Because of the sensitivity of the OBDII system on vehicles
> the injectors
> have been refined to a point where you will not usually
> see any type of
> problems with them. The exception of this may be the GM
> Truck poppet
> valves. In this case it's not a fuel injector problem but
> a flaw in
> design. Adding fuel injector cleaners to these vehicles
> doesn't have any
> effect on their failure rate. Afaik they all fail
> eventually.
noted..
> On a carbureted system if it is malfunctioning it should
> be
> disassembled and repaired or rebuilt. On a fuel injected
> system if it
> malfunctions it needs to be diagnosed and repaired. I
> repair a lot of
> fuel injected vehicles and have spent a lot of money for
> the necessary
> diagnostic equipment to do so. Other than the
> aforementioned GM truck I
> have not replaced a fuel injector for clogging since back
> in the 1980's.
>
> The fuel system cleaner you speak of certainly won't hurt
> anything if
> used as directed but in my experience it won't help
> anything either. At
> best it makes them money and cost you money.
>
> I can really only equate this stuff to cars because I own
> a garage and
> diagnose and repair automotive engine operating systems
> daily. The
> motorcycle systems are not nearly as sophisticated as the
> automotive
> systems. I'm sure the motorcycle systems do benefit from
> the advances in
> technology made in the automotive world though.
>
> Roger
>
I see your point and thanks for your input Roger.
however,
all I can say is that I have used Lucas Fuel Injector
Cleaner for many years in my bikes
(not plastic tanks)
with no related problems that I know of..
it seems to have helped make them run more efficiently.
my2¢
--
"Key"
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #488025 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 02:53 |
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I don't understand... with Harley's concern about engine rpm. Why do not put
a tach on as a standard feature? I guess we shell out more bucks or just
guess.
Don
"gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6fSdnYvjIojF0s3enZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle is barely above
> my 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to worry about? The
> bike runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at 1200 will take a
> couple hours and requires a special tester. After all the years with
> carburetors, I don't have a clue here.
> TIA,
> Gerry
>
>
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #488026 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 04:40 |
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"Don" <dwlucero [at] atsbcglobaldot.net> wrote in message
news:8IX4f.2411$D13.62 [at] newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>I don't understand... with Harley's concern about engine rpm. Why do not
>put a tach on as a standard feature? I guess we shell out more bucks or
>just guess.
> Don
>
> "gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6fSdnYvjIojF0s3enZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle is barely above
>> my 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to worry about? The
>> bike runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at 1200 will take a
>> couple hours and requires a special tester. After all the years with
>> carburetors, I don't have a clue here.
>> TIA,
>> Gerry
Don,
Don't top post. Some people make a REAL deal out of it.
I agree. A low idle can prevent a battery from recharging enough and
oil may not pump well. These new motors run hot enough as it is
and the oil not only lubricates but cools to a certain extent. But then,
there is a list of things I'd like to see standard on Harleys...
Gerry
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #488028 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 04:44 |
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gerry gardiner wrote:
> "Don" <dwlucero [at] atsbcglobaldot.net> wrote in message
> news:8IX4f.2411$D13.62 [at] newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> >I don't understand... with Harley's concern about engine rpm. Why do not
> >put a tach on as a standard feature? I guess we shell out more bucks or
> >just guess.
> > Don
> >
> > "gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:6fSdnYvjIojF0s3enZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> >> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle is barely above
> >> my 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to worry about? The
> >> bike runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at 1200 will take a
> >> couple hours and requires a special tester. After all the years with
> >> carburetors, I don't have a clue here.
> >> TIA,
> >> Gerry
>
> Don,
>
> Don't top post. Some people make a REAL deal out of it.
> I agree. A low idle can prevent a battery from recharging enough and
> oil may not pump well. These new motors run hot enough as it is
> and the oil not only lubricates but cools to a certain extent. But then,
> there is a list of things I'd like to see standard on Harleys...
>
> Gerry
Me too, starting with 100hp stock.
Roger
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #488032 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 06:15 |
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"Don" <dwlucero [at] atsbcglobaldot.net> wrote in message
news:8IX4f.2411$D13.62 [at] newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>I don't understand... with Harley's concern about engine
>rpm. Why do not put a tach on as a standard feature? I
>guess we shell out more bucks or just guess.
> Don
thats one of them things
if you have to ask ?
you wouldn't,
well ? you know..
--
"Key"
>
> "gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6fSdnYvjIojF0s3enZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle
>> is barely above my 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is
>> this anything to worry about? The bike runs fine and the
>> shop says to put the cold idle at 1200 will take a couple
>> hours and requires a special tester. After all the years
>> with carburetors, I don't have a clue here.
>> TIA,
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #488033 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 06:17 |
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"Roger M" <rmauck [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:435461A7.E105A86F [at] adelphia.net...
>
> gerry gardiner wrote:
>
>> "Don" <dwlucero [at] atsbcglobaldot.net> wrote in message
>> news:8IX4f.2411$D13.62 [at] newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> >I don't understand... with Harley's concern about engine
>> >rpm. Why do not
>> >put a tach on as a standard feature? I guess we shell
>> >out more bucks or
>> >just guess.
>> > Don
>> >
>> > "gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:6fSdnYvjIojF0s3enZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>> >> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold
>> >> idle is barely above
>> >> my 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything
>> >> to worry about? The
>> >> bike runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle
>> >> at 1200 will take a
>> >> couple hours and requires a special tester. After all
>> >> the years with
>> >> carburetors, I don't have a clue here.
>> >> TIA,
>> >> Gerry
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> Don't top post. Some people make a REAL deal out of
>> it.
>> I agree. A low idle can prevent a battery from recharging
>> enough and
>> oil may not pump well. These new motors run hot enough as
>> it is
>> and the oil not only lubricates but cools to a certain
>> extent. But then,
>> there is a list of things I'd like to see standard on
>> Harleys...
>>
>> Gerry
>
> Me too, starting with 100hp stock.
>
> Roger
heard that !!!!
--
"Key"
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| Re: An idle question.. [message #488042 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 21:26 |
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Don top-posted:
> "gerry gardiner" <gardiner [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6fSdnYvjIojF0s3enZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>> I'm not making this up. On my EFI 99 Ultra, my cold idle is barely
>> above my 1000rpm warm idle. Maybe 50 rpms. Is this anything to worry
>> about? The bike runs fine and the shop says to put the cold idle at
>> 1200 will take a couple hours and requires a special tester. After
>> all the years with carburetors, I don't have a clue here.
>> TIA,
>
> I don't understand... with Harley's concern about engine rpm. Why do
> not put a tach on as a standard feature? I guess we shell out more
> bucks or just guess.
Gee, I'm sure Gerry didn't notice that big round tach to the right of
his speedometer. And he didn't even have to shell out extra for it!
--
Mike | There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those
'04 FLHTCUI | who understand binary, and those who don't.
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