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| 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485315] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 20:17 |
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My neighbor has a KZ-1000 #KZT00A-503335 built in 11-76 it has 5,359
original miles on it. It has been sitting unused for about 20 years,
the
tank is full of rust, and probably junk, the carbs are going to need at
least rebuilding, the exhaust has been changed to 4 into 2, the seat
has
been replaced, the rotors are rusted, but turn. He wants to sell it,
can
anyone tell me if tanks and carb kits are still available, what might
it be
worth fixed up, and what should I offer him? Thanks, Doug
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485316 ] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 20:27 |
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<sunart [at] netease.net> wrote:
> My neighbor has a KZ-1000 #KZT00A-503335 built in 11-76 it has 5,359
> original miles on it. It has been sitting unused for about 20 years,
> the
> tank is full of rust, and probably junk, the carbs are going to need at
> least rebuilding, the exhaust has been changed to 4 into 2, the seat
> has
> been replaced, the rotors are rusted, but turn. He wants to sell it,
> can
> anyone tell me if tanks and carb kits are still available, what might
> it be
> worth fixed up, and what should I offer him? Thanks, Doug
The KZ1000 had a 4-2 exhaust as OE.
It's a long way from being the most desirable Big Zed, but definitely
worth restoring if you get it cheap enough. 500 bucks?
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485317 ] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 21:24 |
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sunart [at] netease.net wrote:
> My neighbor has a KZ-1000 #KZT00A-503335 built in 11-76 it has 5,359
> original miles on it. It has been sitting unused for about 20 years,
> the
> tank is full of rust, and probably junk, the carbs are going to need at
> least rebuilding, the exhaust has been changed to 4 into 2, the seat
> has
> been replaced, the rotors are rusted, but turn. He wants to sell it,
> can
> anyone tell me if tanks and carb kits are still available, what might
> it be
> worth fixed up, and what should I offer him? Thanks, Doug
>
Couple of price levels. Not running but complete is worth ~$200-4400 and
running with title and street licenced ~$800. Cleaned up to the point
where it isn't embarassing to be seen on it could get $1,200 to $2,400
depending on your ability to find some rich white guy who rode that bike
in high school who made a killing in the dot com thing and wants to
relive his youth.
Sometimes a solid exhaust on parted out bikes will go for over $300 for
example, so you really have to check. If it has a lot of pristine parts
it could drive up the price. If it was parked outside in the rain for
the last 20 years, go low.
Just for reference, I picked up a complete CB650 for $5 and a mostly
there CX500 for $2.99 a short while back. Thing was they had been
sitting outside with an ocean view for years and are pretty rotted.
If he can garrantee there are no major problems, like a bent valve, you
can can figure what your time is worth to get it to the $800 stage,
subtract that from $800 and make the result your purchase price.
I would guess it would take about 40 hours to [replace battery, clean
carbs, clean tank, ...] to get it running. Things average ~$30 per part,
that is you may find a footpeg for $10 including shipping but a NOS gas
tank may go for a few hundred. Tires will run a couple hundred bucks and
will need to be replaced. eBay.com is your friend, just about everything
is or becomes available there.
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485318 ] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 22:13 |
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sunart [at] netease.net wrote:
> can anyone tell me if tanks and carb kits are still available
Car guys always ask about carb kits, saying, "I'm gonna throw a carb
kit in there and that'll get 'er done." Car guys don't understand
motorcycle carburetors ayway.
You're talking about maybe $30 per carb kit, four kits required. That
may be a waste of money if you don't need all the brass parts.
www.oldbikebarn.com sells carburetor kits, but, with so few miles on
the
motorcycle, you might not even need any parts except for float bowl
gaskets.
You might be able to spritz out all the gum and varnish with Berryman's
B-12 Chemtool Choke and Carburetor Cleaner (the aerosol spray).
I don't recall whether the KZ-1000 has slide valve carbs or butterfly
constant vacuum carbs. You can look at www.partsfish.com to see if it
has
the constant vacuum carbs with rubber diaphragms and throttle
butterflies.
If you have a carb with a torn diaphragm, the whole vacuum slide with
rubber diaphragm costs about $100...
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485321 ] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 23:11 |
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krusty kritter <kriyamanna [at] aol.com> wrote:
> I don't recall whether the KZ-1000 has slide valve carbs
Slide. Trust me.
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485328 ] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 05:21 |
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In article <1129832260.746399.96170 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
sunart [at] netease.net wrote:
> My neighbor has a KZ-1000 #KZT00A-503335 built in 11-76 it has 5,359
> original miles on it. It has been sitting unused for about 20 years,
> the
> tank is full of rust, and probably junk, the carbs are going to need at
> least rebuilding, the exhaust has been changed to 4 into 2, the seat
> has
> been replaced, the rotors are rusted, but turn. He wants to sell it,
> can
> anyone tell me if tanks and carb kits are still available, what might
> it be
> worth fixed up, and what should I offer him? Thanks, Doug
>
If it were me and I owned a 76 and know it inside and out, I would pay
zero for the bike as is. I would restore it and if I didn't decide to
keep it, I would offer to split any profit over the cost of getting it
running. Then I would spend the following:
1. 29MM smooth bore carbs, still available from Sudco, if you can find a
shop that will get you a discount, maybe $400 or less. The stockers were
awful, 26 MM instead of the previous Z's 28s. They were the first of the
smog controlled versions with an idle air screw on the bottom instead of
the idle gas screw on the side.
2. Aftermarket replacement for the regulator/rectifier. What's in there
is probably fried or will be shortly if you get it running.
3. Boil and replate anything that's chrome that isn't perfect, exhaust,
fork legs, etc.
Tanks can be found, not from Kawi but from parts brokers that bought
parts from Kawi when declared out of date.
If it is a 1000 and not a KZ900, it's a 77 introduced late in 76. The
crank was reballanced and has a bit more flywheel than previous. The
frame is a bit stronger with roller bearings in the swingarm pivot. It
rode a little nicer than my previous (73 and 75) Z1s but it was a big
disappointment in sales because it received a lot of non-delivered hype
and there was suddenly competion from big Honda (Goldwings) and the
Yamaha triple and the Suzuki Z lookalikes. You likely might have to send
the crank to Falicon if it has set enough to rust the bottom end
bearings. The stock exhaust was quite good as a 4-2 and didn't have the
rust problem that early 4-pipe exhausts had.
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485329 ] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 05:45 |
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"krusty kritter" <kriyamanna [at] aol.com> wrote in news:1129839180.834976.282560
[at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
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> sunart [at] netease.net wrote:
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>> can anyone tell me if tanks and carb kits are still available
>
> Car guys always ask about carb kits, saying, "I'm gonna throw a carb
> kit in there and that'll get 'er done." Car guys don't understand
> motorcycle carburetors ayway.
>
Car guys don't understand car carbs either. Not really. Shoot krusty, there
are mechanics over the age of 26 that never drove a car with a carb let alone
worked on a car that had one.
Soon there will be no carbs on motorcycles. Everything will be fuel
injected. When that occurs then the only thing we will have to work on are
classic/antique vehicles.
pierce
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485330 ] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 08:45 |
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks [at] google.com> wrote:
> "krusty kritter" <kriyamanna [at] aol.com> wrote in news:1129839180.834976.282560
> [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> >
> > sunart [at] netease.net wrote:
> >
> >> can anyone tell me if tanks and carb kits are still available
> >
> > Car guys always ask about carb kits, saying, "I'm gonna throw a carb
> > kit in there and that'll get 'er done." Car guys don't understand
> > motorcycle carburetors ayway.
> >
>
>
> Car guys don't understand car carbs either. Not really. Shoot krusty, there
> are mechanics over the age of 26 that never drove a car with a carb let alone
> worked on a car that had one.
>
> Soon there will be no carbs on motorcycles. Everything will be fuel
> injected. When that occurs then the only thing we will have to work on are
> classic/antique vehicles.
>
<Nods in agreement>
Already it's getting harder to find mechanics who understand that (for
example) older bikes' brakes are not "defective", just "made that way".
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485334 ] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 15:25 |
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chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
news:1h4ru88.op0s121fksejsN%chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com:
> R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks [at] google.com> wrote:
>
>> "krusty kritter" <kriyamanna [at] aol.com> wrote in
>> news:1129839180.834976.282560 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >
>> > sunart [at] netease.net wrote:
>> >
>> >> can anyone tell me if tanks and carb kits are still available
>> >
>> > Car guys always ask about carb kits, saying, "I'm gonna throw a carb
>> > kit in there and that'll get 'er done." Car guys don't understand
>> > motorcycle carburetors ayway.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Car guys don't understand car carbs either. Not really. Shoot krusty,
>> there are mechanics over the age of 26 that never drove a car with a
>> carb let alone worked on a car that had one.
>>
>> Soon there will be no carbs on motorcycles. Everything will be fuel
>> injected. When that occurs then the only thing we will have to work on
>> are classic/antique vehicles.
>>
> <Nods in agreement>
>
> Already it's getting harder to find mechanics who understand that (for
> example) older bikes' brakes are not "defective", just "made that way".
>
>
Are you referring to the amount of pressure on the levers to make them
stop? I can understand that. I rode a ST1300 and the brakes on it are
akin to power brakes compared to my dual caliper, dual piston front brakes
on my 25 YO Honda.
pierce
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485335 ] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 16:02 |
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Already it's getting harder to find mechanics who understand that (for
> example) older bikes' brakes are not "defective", just "made that way".
If it's any consolation, HD brakes required a lot more lever force than
any UJM brakes. Brute strength was needed on a Sportster I rode
briefly.
Then along came large diameter 13" disk brakes in the mid-1980's. My
friend installed a set of PM brakes on his GSXR-750 and also installed
a brake lever from his RG-500 Gamma, which had more lever ratio. He
warned me, "You're used to grabbing a big handfull of brakes. Just use
one finger to pull the lever, and maybe two fingers after you get used
it it."
He was right, one finger was enough to stop the machine at ordinary
windy road speeds. But he apparently forgot his own advice and braked
too hard going into Turn 1 at Willow Springs. A witness said that he'd
never seen anybody land on their head that hard and walk away from it...
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485337 ] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 17:19 |
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R. Pierce Butler wrote:
> chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
> news:1h4ru88.op0s121fksejsN%chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com:
>
> > R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks [at] google.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "krusty kritter" <kriyamanna [at] aol.com> wrote in
> >> news:1129839180.834976.282560 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> > <Nods in agreement>
> >
> > Already it's getting harder to find mechanics who understand that (for
> > example) older bikes' brakes are not "defective", just "made that way".
> >
> >
>
> Are you referring to the amount of pressure on the levers to make them
> stop? I can understand that. I rode a ST1300 and the brakes on it are
> akin to power brakes compared to my dual caliper, dual piston front brakes
> on my 25 YO Honda.
>
Well, yes, that and the actual retardation available (I'll admit that
modern tyres help enormously here, too).
And if you think dual caliper dual-piston brakes are poor on a 25
year-old Honda, try riding an early SOHC Honda CB750 with *one* disc
boasting just *one* piston.
Actually, my recently-acquired Yamaha XS650 (Yay!! Got one again -
every five or six years the bug bites and I *have* to buy another one),
with its single front disc, is a bit sphincter-puckering in the brakes
department, too.
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485351 ] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 07:34 |
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"krusty kritter" <kriyamanna [at] aol.com> wrote in
news:1129903378.419159.228850 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
>> Already it's getting harder to find mechanics who understand that (for
>> example) older bikes' brakes are not "defective", just "made that way".
>
> If it's any consolation, HD brakes required a lot more lever force than
> any UJM brakes. Brute strength was needed on a Sportster I rode
> briefly.
>
> Then along came large diameter 13" disk brakes in the mid-1980's. My
> friend installed a set of PM brakes on his GSXR-750 and also installed
> a brake lever from his RG-500 Gamma, which had more lever ratio. He
> warned me, "You're used to grabbing a big handfull of brakes. Just use
> one finger to pull the lever, and maybe two fingers after you get used
> it it."
>
> He was right, one finger was enough to stop the machine at ordinary
> windy road speeds. But he apparently forgot his own advice and braked
> too hard going into Turn 1 at Willow Springs. A witness said that he'd
> never seen anybody land on their head that hard and walk away from it...
>
>
It would be nice to put some brakes on my aging CBX that would make it
easier to brake. I am concerned that if I put on calipers with bigger/more
pistons there might not be enough volume fromm the master cylinder to
properly stop the bike. The brakes are currently stock including the pads.
Maybe some organic pads which are softer but grip better?
pierce
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485353 ] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 10:33 |
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks [at] google.com> wrote:
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> It would be nice to put some brakes on my aging CBX that would make it
> easier to brake. I am concerned that if I put on calipers with bigger/more
> pistons there might not be enough volume fromm the master cylinder to
> properly stop the bike. The brakes are currently stock including the pads.
> Maybe some organic pads which are softer but grip better?
>
If you put on larger, more powerful calipers, you may indeed need a
bigger capacity master cylinder, but it's not a hard mod.
You're right - stock CBX brakes were considered marginal 25 years ago. A
change of pads won't help.
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485355 ] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 16:36 |
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chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
news:1h4tuam.outoto6ht1qkN%chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com:
> R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks [at] google.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> It would be nice to put some brakes on my aging CBX that would make it
>> easier to brake. I am concerned that if I put on calipers with
>> bigger/more pistons there might not be enough volume fromm the master
>> cylinder to properly stop the bike. The brakes are currently stock
>> including the pads. Maybe some organic pads which are softer but grip
>> better?
>>
> If you put on larger, more powerful calipers, you may indeed need a
> bigger capacity master cylinder, but it's not a hard mod.
>
> You're right - stock CBX brakes were considered marginal 25 years ago. A
> change of pads won't help.
>
>
>
Gee I always considered the CBX brakes to be pretty good. Especially
compared to the CB550 I had before that. The brakes on my son's 99 Magna
are about the same as the CBX. I can haul that CBX down in a hurry with
two fingers and if I grab a handful, things get pretty interesting.
pierce
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485356 ] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 16:48 |
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks [at] google.com> wrote:
> chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
> news:1h4tuam.outoto6ht1qkN%chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com:
>
> >
> > You're right - stock CBX brakes were considered marginal 25 years ago. A
> > change of pads won't help.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Gee I always considered the CBX brakes to be pretty good. Especially
> compared to the CB550 I had before that. The brakes on my son's 99 Magna
> are about the same as the CBX. I can haul that CBX down in a hurry with
> two fingers and if I grab a handful, things get pretty interesting.
>
You want to try something a bit more modern, to make a true comparison.
And CB550s, with their single-piston caliper and single disc, weren't
great stoppers, anyway - agree.
In fact, the only single-disc SOHC four whose brakes fully matched its
performance (IMHO) was the CB400 Four.
The CBX's brakes are OK up to about 80-90mph. Trying to stop in a hurry
from 100+, or less if you're carrying a pillion, and you realise they're
seriously deficient. They're more or less the same calipers as fitted to
the SOHC CB750F2 and they have another 30bhp, 50lbs weight and 15mph to
cope with.
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485357 ] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 17:44 |
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chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
news:1h4ubsi.1hqq3s83f0a2cN%chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com:
> R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks [at] google.com> wrote:
>
>> chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
>> news:1h4tuam.outoto6ht1qkN%chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com:
>>
>
>> >
>> > You're right - stock CBX brakes were considered marginal 25 years
>> > ago. A change of pads won't help.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Gee I always considered the CBX brakes to be pretty good. Especially
>> compared to the CB550 I had before that. The brakes on my son's 99
>> Magna are about the same as the CBX. I can haul that CBX down in a
>> hurry with two fingers and if I grab a handful, things get pretty
>> interesting.
>>
> You want to try something a bit more modern, to make a true comparison.
> And CB550s, with their single-piston caliper and single disc, weren't
> great stoppers, anyway - agree.
>
> In fact, the only single-disc SOHC four whose brakes fully matched its
> performance (IMHO) was the CB400 Four.
>
> The CBX's brakes are OK up to about 80-90mph. Trying to stop in a hurry
> from 100+, or less if you're carrying a pillion, and you realise they're
> seriously deficient. They're more or less the same calipers as fitted to
> the SOHC CB750F2 and they have another 30bhp, 50lbs weight and 15mph to
> cope with.
>
>
WHAT!?!?! Knowingly break the law by intentionally driving over 100
MPH?!?! I would never do that! (:>)
pierce
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| Re: 1977 KZ-1000 [message #485359 ] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 18:16 |
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks [at] google.com> wrote:
> WHAT!?!?! Knowingly break the law by intentionally driving over 100
> MPH?!?! I would never do that! (:>)
I *wish* I'd kept my old speeding ticket with "in excess of 118mph" on
it.....
Cost me my licence for a month, that did.
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