| KN Oil filters [message #475594] |
Wed, 12 October 2005 23:24 |
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Does anyone have any experience with KN oil filters. I am thinking of
using one instead of the suzuki filter on my Boulevard.
Thanks,
eric
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485242 ] |
Mon, 17 October 2005 04:41 |
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Eric wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with KN oil filters. I am thinking of
> using one instead of the suzuki filter on my Boulevard.
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> Thanks,
> eric
Hi Eric,
Thought about it once, but figured at $5 for a genuine part, it wasn't
really worth the experiment.
Cheers,
Ben.
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485262 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 07:05 |
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For street use, dont' bother.. they're actually more work than it's worth.
if you're doing serious track days; then yes; then it's worth it.
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:24:16 -0600, Eric <erico49 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>Does anyone have any experience with KN oil filters. I am thinking of
>using one instead of the suzuki filter on my Boulevard.
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>Thanks,
>eric
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485265 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 08:03 |
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Eric <erico49 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in news:11kqvnvbo4msjdb [at] corp.supernews.com:
> Does anyone have any experience with KN oil filters. I am thinking of
> using one instead of the suzuki filter on my Boulevard.
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> Thanks,
> eric
>
If something happens - anything at all - your fault, Suzuki's fault, no
one's fault - the filter will get the blame and you will be faced with a
repair bill. Don't mess around. Use the Suzuki recommended filters and
oils and nothing else. All it takes is a single failure of an oil filter
and your engine is toast. The oil light won't come on, the engine will
just destroy itself. There is a GL1800 owner that decided to cheap out on
the oil filter. The discount filter failed. Honda warranty? You're
kidding right? $8000 later he was back on the road with a fresh Honda
filter fitted to his new GL1800 engine. The oil filter manufacturer? They
said it was not intended for motorcycle use even though the car filter he
found fit his bike.
I saw one car manufacturer try to weasel out of paying for a transmission.
They claimed that the aftermarket air filter caused the engine to produce
too much power for the transmission. Luckily, the owner's attorney showed
in court that the car company also uses that same transmission mated to a
much larger engine. An engine that produces much more power than what the
owners engine would ever produce with or without a filter. The car owner
won.
Want to avoid some hassles? Use the Suzuki recommended filters.
pierce
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485267 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 08:41 |
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks [at] google.com> wrote:
> If something happens - anything at all - your fault, Suzuki's fault, no
> one's fault - the filter will get the blame and you will be faced with a
> repair bill. Don't mess around. Use the Suzuki recommended filters and
> oils and nothing else. All it takes is a single failure of an oil filter
> and your engine is toast. The oil light won't come on, the engine will
> just destroy itself. There is a GL1800 owner that decided to cheap out on
> the oil filter. The discount filter failed. Honda warranty? You're
> kidding right? $8000 later he was back on the road with a fresh Honda
> filter fitted to his new GL1800 engine. The oil filter manufacturer? They
> said it was not intended for motorcycle use even though the car filter he
> found fit his bike.
I've heard so many scare stories about pattern oil filters over the
years. I've used them for 30 years myself, and *never* had a problem.
Buy a decent brand of pattern, and you're OK. Buy some anonymous crap
with glue oozing everywhere and you *might* have trouble.
I'd love to see that Gold Wing story substantiated.
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485274 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 17:57 |
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Eric <erico49 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in news:11kqvnvbo4msjdb [at] corp.supernews.com:
> Does anyone have any experience with KN oil filters. I am thinking of
> using one instead of the suzuki filter on my Boulevard.
I've used K&N oil filters on my GSF1200S with no apparent problems. The
nut welded to the top of the filter is very useful, since, on the Bandit,
Suzuki specifies tightening the filter two full turns past when the gasket
contacts the case.
Indeed, the nut was the only reason I used the K&N. Otherwise I use a
Suzuki filter, or an STP filter.
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Mike Freeman
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485275 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 18:14 |
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Michael J. Freeman <pi3832NOSPM [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Eric <erico49 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in news:11kqvnvbo4msjdb [at] corp.supernews.com:
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>> Does anyone have any experience with KN oil filters. I am thinking of
>> using one instead of the suzuki filter on my Boulevard.
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> I've used K&N oil filters on my GSF1200S with no apparent problems. The
> nut welded to the top of the filter is very useful, since, on the Bandit,
> Suzuki specifies tightening the filter two full turns past when the gasket
> contacts the case.
Suzuki also make the same recommendation for the filter on the SV650
(in fact it is the same filter). I very strongly disagree with this,
I give it about 1 turn. Two turns overcompresses the O-ring to the
point where the metal case of the filter is touching the engine casting.
It's much like a spin-on automotive filter and snugging it up tight,
but not too tight, is the right thing to do, despite what Suzuki tells
us in this particular case.
> Indeed, the nut was the only reason I used the K&N. Otherwise I use a
> Suzuki filter, or an STP filter.
If you need to use a nut[1] you're tightening it far too tight. I have no
trouble _over_tightening the SV's filter by hand.
In my opinion the STP filter is crap, based simply on the poor quality
of the O-ring material. The EMGO 800556 filter's O-ring is on a par
with the Suzuki OEM filter. I haven't cut one apart to inspect it but I
would imagine they're quite similar inside. The EMGO filters are about
half the cost of the genuine Suzuki item.
[1] barring a physical condition that doesn't allow you to grip the
filter tight enough by hand.
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Mark '01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '86 GL1200A '81 CM400T
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485276 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 18:22 |
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Mark Olson <olsonm [at] tiny.invalid> wrote in
news:11la7qjhmk2ft4d [at] corp.supernews.com:
> [1] barring a physical condition that doesn't allow you to grip the
> filter tight enough by hand.
That "physical condition" would be the four header pipes that surround the
filter like a close-fitting cage.
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Mike Freeman
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485277 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 18:53 |
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Michael J. Freeman <pi3832NOSPM [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Olson <olsonm [at] tiny.invalid> wrote in
> news:11la7qjhmk2ft4d [at] corp.supernews.com:
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>> [1] barring a physical condition that doesn't allow you to grip the
>> filter tight enough by hand.
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> That "physical condition" would be the four header pipes that surround the
> filter like a close-fitting cage.
The SV having its filter out in the breeze was a big selling point for me.
Oil changes take about 5 minutes, and most of that is me being finicky
about getting the level in the sight glass just so.
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Mark '01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '86 GL1200A '81 CM400T
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485283 ] |
Wed, 19 October 2005 03:46 |
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K&N filters should be used for performance (and I don't mean "high performance
street machines") They should be used for track bikes.
They require a higher maintence level (oiling, cleaning, drying etc) than stock
filters that's just "swap & go"
Plus; the only way to get the real bennifit from K&N filters is to do a new map
anyway... (my $.02) -- more air in, more air needs to go out (exhaust) and
that means a new map.
Modern bikes are tuned for their intake & exhausts (and to keep w/in emissions
requirements).
Swap to a K&N you probably are violating emissions laws.....
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485285 ] |
Wed, 19 October 2005 05:07 |
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In article <a68bl119cp2cqhg7dfqlntav74a6d56vfe [at] 4ax.com>,
Josh Assing <xjoshx [at] jassing.com> wrote:
[stuff about K&N air filters snipped]
> Swap to a K&N you probably are violating emissions laws.....
A K&N oil filter that causes you to violate emissions laws is likely to
be a poor investment indeed.
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Later,
John
johajohn [at] indianahoosiers.edu
'indiana' is a 'nolnn' and 'hoosier' is a 'solkk'. Indiana doesn't solkk.
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485286 ] |
Wed, 19 October 2005 06:04 |
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chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
news:1h4manq.1u2i7vpjri3jfN%chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com:
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> I'd love to see that Gold Wing story substantiated.
>
Call DFW (Dallas-Fort Worth) Honda and ask for Dave or Chris in Parts. IIRC
it was one of DFW's customers.
pierce
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485287 ] |
Wed, 19 October 2005 08:20 |
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Josh Assing <xjoshx [at] jassing.com> wrote:
<snip>
Do you understand the difference between air and oil???? ;-)
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Trophy 1200 750SS XS650x2 CB400F CB125S DT50MX
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485293 ] |
Wed, 19 October 2005 19:21 |
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Do you understand the difference between air and oil???? ;-)
They're both fluids -- oil has a higher dynamic viscosity, and
air has a higher kinematic viscosity (at std temp/press). Both
may be used to cool an engine, IIRC. Um, oil is hydrocarbon?
Air is a mixture of gasses, mostly N? Am I getting warmer?
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"Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no
wiser, but an intelligent man requires only two thousand five hundred."
- The Mahabharata
Don't send me email replies -- this is a honeypot address for unsolicited
commercial email.
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485295 ] |
Wed, 19 October 2005 20:24 |
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Michael Sierchio <kudzu-usenet95 [at] tenebras.com> wrote:
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
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> > Do you understand the difference between air and oil???? ;-)
>
> They're both fluids -- oil has a higher dynamic viscosity, and
> air has a higher kinematic viscosity (at std temp/press). Both
> may be used to cool an engine, IIRC. Um, oil is hydrocarbon?
> Air is a mixture of gasses, mostly N? Am I getting warmer?
Boiling, I'd say.....
--
Trophy 1200 750SS XS650x2 CB400F CB125S DT50MX
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485301 ] |
Wed, 19 October 2005 23:42 |
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i have been running the k&n oil filter on my 02 dr650 and my 96 goldwing.
havent had any probs with them.
i love the one for the wing it has a 17mm head on it and is a breeze to
change.
the dr is internal so there you go.
i use mobil 1 in both bike and noticed improved temps and shifting.
just my 2cents
Matt
"Mark Olson" <olsonm [at] tiny.invalid> wrote in message
news:11laa3ha00hs794 [at] corp.supernews.com...
> Michael J. Freeman <pi3832NOSPM [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark Olson <olsonm [at] tiny.invalid> wrote in
>> news:11la7qjhmk2ft4d [at] corp.supernews.com:
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>>> [1] barring a physical condition that doesn't allow you to grip the
>>> filter tight enough by hand.
>>
>> That "physical condition" would be the four header pipes that surround
>> the
>> filter like a close-fitting cage.
>
> The SV having its filter out in the breeze was a big selling point for me.
> Oil changes take about 5 minutes, and most of that is me being finicky
> about getting the level in the sight glass just so.
>
> --
> Mark '01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '86 GL1200A '81 CM400T
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| Re: KN Oil filters [message #485302 ] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 01:49 |
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SHIT!
/me wipes egg off his face.
Ignore me.
SORRY!
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:20:10 +0100, chateauSPAMKILL.murray [at] dsl.pipex.com (The
Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Josh Assing <xjoshx [at] jassing.com> wrote:
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><snip>
>
>Do you understand the difference between air and oil???? ;-)
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