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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #797006 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 14:22 |
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On Mar 4, 2:46=A0am, squas... [at] gmail.com wrote:
> On 4 Mar, 00:44, "DanK... [at] gmail.com" <DanK... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Mar 3, 6:53 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d... [at] davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
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> > > In article <OdednbM5Ueqlz1HanZ2dnUVZ_vamn... [at] speakeasy.net>,
> > > =A0 =A0Matthew T. Russotto <russo... [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
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> > > > >I see plenty cyclists going through red lights - but they have a da=
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> > > > >good look before doing so. Unlike car drivers running one just afte=
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> > > > >it's changed to red. They tend to speed up rather than do it carefu=
lly.
> > > > You can't tell whether they are being careful by their change in
> > > > speed.
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> > > Apart from the fact that most cyclists are doing at the most 20 mph - =
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> > > slow down to a near stop before carrying on across a red light. Car
> > > drivers, on the other hand, go through a recently changed to red one a=
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> > > 30+. Difficult to be careful at that speed as they simply couldn't sto=
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> > > something was coming the other way.
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> > > *I'm not your type. I'm not inflatable.
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> > > =A0 =A0 Dave Plowman =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0d... [at] davenoise.co.uk =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 London SW
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 To e-mail, change noise into sound=
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> > Depends on the cyclist, the driver, the bike and the car. =A0In the city=
> > a large portion of the people you see running red lights are on
> > fixie's, usually brakeless. =A0How far do you figure it takes to skid-
> > stop from 20MPH? =A0A 911 can stop from 30MPH in less than 30 feet.
> > I've had rat bikes in the past with brakes that couldn't reel it in
> > from 20MPH in 30 feet. =A0I also think 20MPH at the *most* is
> > innacurate. =A0I know I sometimes ride faster than that on flat ground
> > nevermind with any sort of a decline, and I know other riders who are
> > faster than me.
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> > Generally speaking I agree with your principal, but absolute
> > statements are rarely a safe bet.
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> "Usually brakeless"? Aren't there legal requirements?- Hide quoted text -
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Yes, but not enforced. Part of this hipster "fixie" trend is that
brakes are not cool, and skid-stops are the way to stop your fixie.
Check out Bike Snob NYC for a refreshingly cynical perspective on the
whole thing. Personally, all my bikes including my fixie have front
brakes except for the BMX dirt jumper, on which front brakes would
serve no purpose.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #797058 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 21:06 |
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On 4 Mar, 09:02, Adrian <toomany2... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) ("Dave Plowman (News)" <d... [at] davenoise.co.uk>) gurgled
> happily, sounding much like they were saying:
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> >> >I see plenty cyclists going through red lights - but they have a damn
> >> >good look before doing so. Unlike car drivers running one just after
> >> >it's changed to red. They tend to speed up rather than do it
> >> >carefully.
> >> You can't tell whether they are being careful by their change in speed.
> > Apart from the fact that most cyclists are doing at the most 20 mph -
> > and slow down to a near stop before carrying on across a red light. Car
> > drivers, on the other hand, go through a recently changed to red one at
> > 30+. Difficult to be careful at that speed as they simply couldn't stop
> > if something was coming the other way.
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> Would you care to point us at one single post, on any group, where a car
> driver's defended going through a red light?
You know, I can't remember more than one where a cyclist has defended
the practice, but I may of course be blanking them out. The mind can
play strange tricks on a fellow.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #797067 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 22:28 |
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In article <fqj4v6$1ne$9 [at] anubis.demon.co.uk>, Huge <huge [at] huge.org.uk> wrote:
>On 2008-03-03, Matthew T. Russotto <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> In article <22cfe970-cd54-46b4-b626-93d3a2891831 [at] d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>> Harry K <turnkey4099 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Mar 3, 2:34=A0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
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>>>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>>>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
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>>>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
>>>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
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>> If he hits a cyclist who runs a red light, he's not going to need a
>> bail bondsman or a criminal defense lawyer; even if arrested he'll
>> most likely be released on his own recognizance and ultimately not
>> prosecuted. The insurance company will provide the lawyer for the civil
>> case, and the explanation would be simply "The cyclist ran a red light
>> in front of me".
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>So why didn't it work for the woman whose sentence of four years started this
>thread?
Likely because she was sending a text message at the time... and was
stupid enough to say so.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #797068 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 22:29 |
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"Matthew T. Russotto" <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:N4ydnfo6PvhrI1DanZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d [at] speakeasy.net...
> In article <fqj4v6$1ne$9 [at] anubis.demon.co.uk>, Huge <huge [at] huge.org.uk>
> wrote:
>>On 2008-03-03, Matthew T. Russotto <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <22cfe970-cd54-46b4-b626-93d3a2891831 [at] d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Harry K <turnkey4099 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Mar 3, 2:34=A0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>>>>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>>>>
>>>>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
>>>>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
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>>> If he hits a cyclist who runs a red light, he's not going to need a
>>> bail bondsman or a criminal defense lawyer; even if arrested he'll
>>> most likely be released on his own recognizance and ultimately not
>>> prosecuted. The insurance company will provide the lawyer for the civil
>>> case, and the explanation would be simply "The cyclist ran a red light
>>> in front of me".
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>>So why didn't it work for the woman whose sentence of four years started
>>this
>>thread?
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> Likely because she was sending a text message at the time... and was
> stupid enough to say so.
She wouldn't need to say so. The police can check the phone company's
records.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #797077 ] |
Wed, 05 March 2008 00:21 |
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:29:50 -0000, "Brimstone"
<brimstone520-ng02 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>"Matthew T. Russotto" <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
>news:N4ydnfo6PvhrI1DanZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d [at] speakeasy.net...
>> In article <fqj4v6$1ne$9 [at] anubis.demon.co.uk>, Huge <huge [at] huge.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>On 2008-03-03, Matthew T. Russotto <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <22cfe970-cd54-46b4-b626-93d3a2891831 [at] d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Harry K <turnkey4099 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Mar 3, 2:34=A0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>>>>>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>>>>>
>>>>>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
>>>>>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
>>>>
>>>> If he hits a cyclist who runs a red light, he's not going to need a
>>>> bail bondsman or a criminal defense lawyer; even if arrested he'll
>>>> most likely be released on his own recognizance and ultimately not
>>>> prosecuted. The insurance company will provide the lawyer for the civil
>>>> case, and the explanation would be simply "The cyclist ran a red light
>>>> in front of me".
>>>
>>>So why didn't it work for the woman whose sentence of four years started
>>>this
>>>thread?
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>> Likely because she was sending a text message at the time... and was
>> stupid enough to say so.
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>She wouldn't need to say so. The police can check the phone company's
>records.
You mean she carried on texting and hit "Send" after she hit the
cyclist???
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #797079 ] |
Wed, 05 March 2008 00:38 |
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In article
<4c463397-c823-43c8-b8c8-fe5a7c2d0d19 [at] s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
DanKMTB [at] gmail.com <DanKMTB [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> > Apart from the fact that most cyclists are doing at the most 20 mph -
> > and slow down to a near stop before carrying on across a red light.
> > Car drivers, on the other hand, go through a recently changed to red
> > one at 30+. Difficult to be careful at that speed as they simply
> > couldn't stop if something was coming the other way.
> Depends on the cyclist, the driver, the bike and the car. In the city
> a large portion of the people you see running red lights are on
> fixie's, usually brakeless. How far do you figure it takes to skid-
> stop from 20MPH? A 911 can stop from 30MPH in less than 30 feet.
> I've had rat bikes in the past with brakes that couldn't reel it in
> from 20MPH in 30 feet. I also think 20MPH at the *most* is
> innacurate. I know I sometimes ride faster than that on flat ground
> nevermind with any sort of a decline, and I know other riders who are
> faster than me.
> Generally speaking I agree with your principal, but absolute
> statements are rarely a safe bet.
I didn't make an absolute statement - I said 'most'. And while some
cyclists do indeed exceed 20 mph the average speed is something like that.
And very very few would cycle furiously through a red light. Even fewer
after they did. Unlike cars running a red light.
--
*Some days we are the flies; some days we are the windscreen.*
Dave Plowman dave [at] davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #797807 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 21:46 |
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In article <nMCdndgyqYDTIlDanZ2dnUVZ8tWvnZ2d [at] bt.com>,
Brimstone <brimstone520-ng02 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>"Matthew T. Russotto" <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
>news:N4ydnfo6PvhrI1DanZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d [at] speakeasy.net...
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>> Likely because she was sending a text message at the time... and was
>> stupid enough to say so.
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>She wouldn't need to say so. The police can check the phone company's
>records.
Only if she actually completed the message. And while the cell
company has exact times, the time of the accident probably isn't known
all that precisely; plenty of deniability there.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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