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Motorcycles » uk.rec.motorcycles » OT: Car suggestions
| Re: Car suggestions [message #789098 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 21:04 |
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"SteveH" <steve [at] italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1hiw5bc.15fdvx21iahfwvN%steve [at] italiancar.co.uk...
> Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
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>> >But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't
>> >include
>> >"must be attractive to wimmin". You've NO chance now coz you can't get
>> >any
>> >bikes in an MX5.
>>
>> heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
>> doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
>> that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
>> budget is going.
>
> Does not compute.
>
> If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
I enjoy buying my wife her cars. Even if she wants something I wouldn't
want.
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Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
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| Re: OT: Car suggestions [message #789099 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 21:08 |
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"Andy Bonwick" <nospam [at] bonwick.me.uk> wrote in message
news:oki4c2dbvl635sh7ok3ea9jgevp58hc02b [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:50:01 GMT, "Beav"
> <beavis.original [at] ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><deadmail [at] burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
>
> snip>
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>>> Not sure *how* a car can be 'gay'.
>>
>>Walk up to an MX5 and you'll soon see. 'Specially if it's a pink one.
>
> Are you trying to insinuate that only someone who is gay would buy a
> pink vehicle?
Not at all. I recently painted an MX5 "shocking pink" and the owner is far
from gay. I think her boyfriend is though.
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Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
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| Re: OT: Car suggestions [message #789101 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 21:13 |
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"SteveH" <steve [at] italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1hiw5kw.4g9thlh471zoN%steve [at] italiancar.co.uk...
> Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
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>> >Sounds daft, but a Rover 75 or MG-ZT - you can pick one up brand new for
>> >around 10k, there was a 2.5l MG-ZT estate in a local garage for 5k
>>
>> I did think of the MG ZTT. But I've very wary about buying something
>>
>> a) Made in Longbridge [1]
>> b) That isn't having bits made for it any more and has no dealer
>> network.
>
> One of my neighbours bought a brand new one recently.
>
> I can only assume, by looking at the panel gaps, that Blind Pugh must
> have bolted it together.
It's *that* good?
I just fitted *the* worst strewth kit to one of those and it rejected the
car.
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Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789111 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 21:34 |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:03:34 GMT, "Beav"
<beavis.original [at] ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
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>"Ben" <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote in message
>news:3ip4c2t7a06ar3nc6tddu8bmmu1ig06v89 [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:37 GMT, "Beav"
>> <beavis.original [at] ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ben" <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote in message
>>>news:tk71c29gfnvk8l0l8i5ieo8gl157r5lsv6 [at] 4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:27:08 GMT, "Beav"
>>>> <beavis.original [at] ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't
>>>>>include
>>>>>"must be attractive to wimmin". You've NO chance now coz you can't get
>>>>>any
>>>>>bikes in an MX5.
>>>>
>>>> heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
>>>> doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
>>>> that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
>>>> budget is going.
>>>
>>>She's not just turned 17 and passed her test has she?
>>
>> She has actually just passed her test but she's 10 years older than
>> that.
>
>She's firmly in the 307 range then:-)
She isn't buying it. And she doesn't want a car that big. Whereas my
car needs to do high mileages for work, her's is simply to enable her
to get more driving experience without the risk of her breaking me
sole means of work transport. So a cheap old high mileage 206 will do
fine.
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789112 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 21:36 |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:11:58 +0100, steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
wrote:
>Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
>
>> >But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't include
>> >"must be attractive to wimmin". You've NO chance now coz you can't get any
>> >bikes in an MX5.
>>
>> heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
>> doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
>> that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
>> budget is going.
>
>Does not compute.
>
>If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
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http://www.addict-racing.com
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789118 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 21:52 |
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Ben wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:11:58 +0100, steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
> wrote:
>
> >Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't
> include >> >"must be attractive to wimmin". You've NO chance now coz
> you can't get any >> >bikes in an MX5.
> >>
> >> heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
> >> doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
> >> that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
> >> budget is going.
> >
> > Does not compute.
> >
> > If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
>
> Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
I doubt Steve likes to buy things for your wife.
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Krusty.
http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
http://www.muddystuff.us
Off-road classifieds
'02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789121 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 22:05 |
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Krusty wrote:
> Ben wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:11:58 +0100, steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria
> > didn't include >> >"must be attractive to wimmin". You've NO chance
> > now coz you can't get any >> >bikes in an MX5.
> > >>
> > >> heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough
> > she >> doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206
> > probably as >> that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k
> > out of my 10k >> budget is going.
> > >
> > > Does not compute.
> > >
> > > If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
> >
> > Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
>
> I doubt Steve likes to buy things for your wife.
How'd you know? Do we have pictures of Ben's wife anywhere on the
Internet?
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789125 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 22:27 |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:05:47 +0100, "Timo Geusch"
<tnewsSPAMMENOT [at] unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
snip>
>How'd you know? Do we have pictures of Ben's wife anywhere on the
>Internet?
Ben posted his wedding photos for public viewing.
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789163 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 01:54 |
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Ben wrote:
>
> > If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
>
> Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789165 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 02:00 |
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"MattG" <spam [at] iato.co.uk> wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
[at] news.individual.net:
> Ben wrote:
>>
>> > If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
>>
>> Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
>
> Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
>
My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
no.?
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wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789170 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 03:07 |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net>
wrote:
>"MattG" <spam [at] iato.co.uk> wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
> [at] news.individual.net:
>
>> Ben wrote:
>>>
>>> > If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
>>>
>>> Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
>>
>> Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
>>
>
>My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
>no.?
<g> I think it was a reference to an incident prior to my ukrm days
but his attributions were sloppy.
I never laid a finger on him.
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Work in progress
Thoughts of a dry brain in a dry season.
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789171 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 03:19 |
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Work in progress <spamtrap2 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in
news:6si5c25bcu0mnaf6kgq6p1upn3pht0krov [at] 4ax.com:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"MattG" <spam [at] iato.co.uk> wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
>> [at] news.individual.net:
>>
>>> Ben wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
>>>>
>>>> Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
>>>
>>> Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
>>>
>>
>>My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
>>no.?
>
> <g> I think it was a reference to an incident prior to my ukrm days
> but his attributions were sloppy.
>
> I never laid a finger on him.
That's what all the drunks say.....
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wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789174 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 03:37 |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:19:55 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net>
wrote:
>Work in progress <spamtrap2 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in
>news:6si5c25bcu0mnaf6kgq6p1upn3pht0krov [at] 4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"MattG" <spam [at] iato.co.uk> wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
>>> [at] news.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
>>>
>>>My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
>>>no.?
>>
>> <g> I think it was a reference to an incident prior to my ukrm days
>> but his attributions were sloppy.
>>
>> I never laid a finger on him.
>
>That's what all the drunks say.....
I thought that was 'you're my best mate you are'? Only without the
punctuation. And slightly more slurred.
--
Work in progress
Thoughts of a dry brain in a dry season.
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789175 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 03:58 |
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Work in progress <spamtrap2 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in
news:rik5c2tbqsmnpl33ojekj5r3fhtq0edkbp [at] 4ax.com:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:19:55 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Work in progress <spamtrap2 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in
>>news:6si5c25bcu0mnaf6kgq6p1upn3pht0krov [at] 4ax.com:
>>
>>>
>>> I never laid a finger on him.
>>
>>That's what all the drunks say.....
>
> I thought that was 'you're my best mate you are'? Only without the
> punctuation. And slightly more slurred.
Do women say that? I have limited experience but threats of violence seem
more common.
There have been a number of occasions when, after hearing a straight bloke
say it, I'm not their best mate in the morning ;)
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wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789186 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 08:36 |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net>
wrote:
>"MattG" <spam [at] iato.co.uk> wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
> [at] news.individual.net:
>
>> Ben wrote:
>>>
>>> > If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
>>>
>>> Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
>>
>> Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
>>
>
>My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
>no.?
I think Matt was having a little dig at someone else who's wife
decided to punch him in the face when she was pissed. Someone who
maybe wouldn't buy their wife a car.
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789187 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 08:37 |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:07:20 +0100, Work in progress
<spamtrap2 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net>
>wrote:
>
>>"MattG" <spam [at] iato.co.uk> wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
>> [at] news.individual.net:
>>
>>> Ben wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
>>>>
>>>> Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
>>>
>>> Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
>>>
>>
>>My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
>>no.?
>
><g> I think it was a reference to an incident prior to my ukrm days
>but his attributions were sloppy.
>
I think you're right.
>I never laid a finger on him.
You used a bit of wood?
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789246 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 13:15 |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:37:57 +0100, Andy Bonwick
<nospam [at] bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:07:20 +0100, Work in progress
><spamtrap2 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"MattG" <spam [at] iato.co.uk> wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
>>> [at] news.individual.net:
snip of cars and punching
>>>My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
>>>no.?
>>
>><g> I think it was a reference to an incident prior to my ukrm days
>>but his attributions were sloppy.
>>
>I think you're right.
I usually am.
>>I never laid a finger on him.
>
>You used a bit of wood?
Oh no, I'm far more creative than that.
--
Work in progress
something random
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789248 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 13:32 |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:05:28 +0100, steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
wrote:
>Bear <bastardDOTbear [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There's also a huge difference between buying a car new or nearly new
>> and taking it through 100,000 miles, and buying one that's already got
>> 100,000 miles on it. Buying a 100,000 mile car doesn't have to be a
>> lottery, but it's generally more like Blackjack; being good at spotting
>> things lowers the odds against losing, but doesn't mean you *can't*
>> lose.
>
>I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
>that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
>on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
>the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
>bigger, better, higher-spec. car.
If the first part of your statement is true (insignificant difference
between cars with 20k and 50k), then *why* would the second part be
true (50k car much cheaper/higher spec). The market sets the prices,
you know.
--
Champ
ZX10R
GPz750turbo
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789251 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 13:38 |
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Champ <news [at] champ.org.uk> wrote:
> >I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
> >that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
> >on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
> >the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
> >bigger, better, higher-spec. car.
>
> If the first part of your statement is true (insignificant difference
> between cars with 20k and 50k), then *why* would the second part be
> true (50k car much cheaper/higher spec). The market sets the prices,
> you know.
Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
thread, mileage obsessed.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789255 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 13:41 |
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SteveH wrote
>Champ <news [at] champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> >I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
>> >that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
>> >on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
>> >the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
>> >bigger, better, higher-spec. car.
>>
>> If the first part of your statement is true (insignificant difference
>> between cars with 20k and 50k), then *why* would the second part be
>> true (50k car much cheaper/higher spec). The market sets the prices,
>> you know.
>
>Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
>thread, mileage obsessed.
Snot mileage that is the obsession, when viewed from this direction.
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steve auvache
i rate dates
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789264 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 13:59 |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:38:42 +0100, steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
wrote:
>Champ <news [at] champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> >I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
>> >that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
>> >on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
>> >the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
>> >bigger, better, higher-spec. car.
>>
>> If the first part of your statement is true (insignificant difference
>> between cars with 20k and 50k), then *why* would the second part be
>> true (50k car much cheaper/higher spec). The market sets the prices,
>> you know.
>
>Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
>thread, mileage obsessed.
And why do you think that is?
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Champ
ZX10R
GPz750turbo
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789265 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 14:01 |
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Champ <news [at] champ.org.uk> wrote:
> >Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
> >thread, mileage obsessed.
>
> And why do you think that is?
People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being scrap
by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have heard it
from their fathers etc.
We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so much.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789277 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 14:37 |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
wrote:
>Champ <news [at] champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> >Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
>> >thread, mileage obsessed.
>>
>> And why do you think that is?
>
>People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being scrap
>by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have heard it
>from their fathers etc.
>
>We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so much.
In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
these days.
The interiors generally are not. Seats wear, carpets wear, steering
wheels get shiny, gear sticks get tatty. You also get stone chipping
over the front of the car and all those little scratches on the body
work that when you own a car you never notice but when buying would
put you off.
I want a low mileage car, not just because it makes it mechanically
more reliable, but because it looks and feels a nicer place to be.
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http://www.addict-racing.com
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789279 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 14:47 |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:05:28 +0100, SteveH said ...
> Bear <bastardDOTbear [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There's also a huge difference between buying a car new or nearly new
> > and taking it through 100,000 miles, and buying one that's already got
> > 100,000 miles on it. Buying a 100,000 mile car doesn't have to be a
> > lottery, but it's generally more like Blackjack; being good at spotting
> > things lowers the odds against losing, but doesn't mean you *can't*
> > lose.
>
> I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
> that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
> on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
> the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
> bigger, better, higher-spec. car.
Ah, but that wasn't what you said, sparky; you said:
"even something with 50k miles
on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles."
Now I'm sorry, but a 150K mile car does not feel "pretty much as fresh
as a new" one.
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Bear
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| Re: OT: Car suggestions [message #789281 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 14:51 |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:18:25 +0100, SteveH said ...
> Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
>
> > >Sounds daft, but a Rover 75 or MG-ZT - you can pick one up brand new for
> > >around 10k, there was a 2.5l MG-ZT estate in a local garage for 5k
> >
> > I did think of the MG ZTT. But I've very wary about buying something
> >
> > a) Made in Longbridge [1]
> > b) That isn't having bits made for it any more and has no dealer
> > network.
>
> One of my neighbours bought a brand new one recently.
>
> I can only assume, by looking at the panel gaps, that Blind Pugh must
> have bolted it together.
"How shit is a MG ZTT?"
"*SteveH* thinks they're shit"
"Fuck!".
--
Bear
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789286 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 14:59 |
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Bear <bastardDOTbear [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> Now I'm sorry, but a 150K mile car does not feel "pretty much as fresh
> as a new" one.
I've driven, more or less back to back, a 20k miles Passat and my old
130k miles (when I bought it) Passat.
Other than a slightly shiney steering wheel, there was very little
difference between the 2 cars. The seats hadn't deteriorated, the inside
was just as clean on both of 'em.
Externally, the only issue was that the 130k mile example was showing
signs of stonechipping along the leading edge of the roof.
Having said all that, I wouldn't recommend a Toyota to anyone, this
Corolla Verso hire car I have at the moment is starting to look a bit
(internally) scruffy after only 6k miles.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789287 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 15:09 |
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Ben wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
> wrote:
>> People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being
>> scrap by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have
>> heard it from their fathers etc.
>>
>> We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so
>> much.
>
> In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
> these days.
>
> The interiors generally are not. Seats wear, carpets wear, steering
> wheels get shiny, gear sticks get tatty. You also get stone chipping
> over the front of the car and all those little scratches on the body
> work that when you own a car you never notice but when buying would
> put you off.
Yep. My octavia went at 82k , and while it still had plenty of life left in
it , you could tell that it wasn't as creak-free as it had been when new.
> I want a low mileage car, not just because it makes it mechanically
> more reliable, but because it looks and feels a nicer place to be.
Also once you start to get past 60k miles (where most warranties expire)
you'll start to get wear and tear on mechanical components that needs
attention , especially if the car has been driven with less than ideal
mechanical sympathy.
As an example a chap at work had a Mk4 Golf GTI , and every time it went in
for a service there was something that needed replacing - clutch , brakes ,
suspension components , engine mounts , drive shaft boots and so on and so
forth.
The same thing happens with all our company cars as they get older
irrespective of make. A 3 series BMW cost close to a grand each time it went
in for a service. Now granted you can save money by not using main dealers
and not replacing everything that they say needs doing as soon as they
suggest it , but it's indicative of running a higher mileage car.
Running a newer car means you'll be paying more in depreciation , usually in
loan repayments , but you'll know in advance what your servicing costs are
likely to be. An older car can be had cheaper but you face plenty of
unexpected bills as you go , and you aren't in as good a condition car.
One other thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that buying a brand
new car gets you a choice of buying the most recent model with all the
improvements and extra toys that come with it.
Taking Steve's passat for example , buy buying new you get to drive the new
shape car with all it's benefits.
If you are going to save money buy buying a 2 or 3 year old one then you get
the previous shape which is nowhere near as nice.
--
Alex
Piece by piece the penguins have taken my sanity
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789292 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 15:20 |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:37:29 +0100, Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
snip>
>In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
>these days.
>
Engines last longer due to better manufacturing standards and quality
assurance but bushes, pins, ball joints etc such as you find on
suspension and steering components still wear out remarkably easily.
Brakes also get fucked and once you factor in the hassle involved in
getting something fixed every 6 months or so it's not worth the
effort.
Adie had nothing but trouble (1) with her last car which had fairly
high mileage when she bought it and she wouldn't go back to buying
cars with more than 10k miles on the clock.
(1) Mainly brakes but there was a problem with the top end that was
getting worse so she got rid.
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789295 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 15:22 |
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steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote in news:1hixleq.qb0m04192ggsN%
steve [at] italiancar.co.uk:
>
> Having said all that, I wouldn't recommend a Toyota to anyone, this
> Corolla Verso hire car I have at the moment is starting to look a bit
> (internally) scruffy after only 6k miles.
I refer you to my previous comment about hire cars: they are rarely a good
buy, even 1 year old with low[1] mileage
[1] by your measurement system, say 20k
--
wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789299 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 15:32 |
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wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net> wrote:
> > Having said all that, I wouldn't recommend a Toyota to anyone, this
> > Corolla Verso hire car I have at the moment is starting to look a bit
> > (internally) scruffy after only 6k miles.
>
> I refer you to my previous comment about hire cars: they are rarely a good
> buy, even 1 year old with low[1] mileage
>
> [1] by your measurement system, say 20k
I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
shite.[1]
HTH.
[1] Interior design by Matsui.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789309 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 15:49 |
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In article <1hixn00.hv2rn616jnxvkN%steve [at] italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
says...
> I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
> shite.[1]
But IIRC also one of the most reliable heaps of Japanese
shite you could buy.
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789310 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 15:50 |
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ginge <the.gingeREMOVE [at] THISgmail.com> wrote:
> In article <1hixn00.hv2rn616jnxvkN%steve [at] italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> says...
> > I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
> > shite.[1]
>
> But IIRC also one of the most reliable heaps of Japanese
> shite you could buy.
Maybe. The quality of the interior is, however, shite.
If you used it how it was meant to be used - ie. stuffed with kids, it
would be trashed in months, not years.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789312 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 15:52 |
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steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote in
news:1hixn00.hv2rn616jnxvkN%steve [at] italiancar.co.uk:
> wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net> wrote:
>
>> > Having said all that, I wouldn't recommend a Toyota to anyone, this
>> > Corolla Verso hire car I have at the moment is starting to look a
>> > bit (internally) scruffy after only 6k miles.
>>
>> I refer you to my previous comment about hire cars: they are rarely a
>> good buy, even 1 year old with low[1] mileage
>>
>> [1] by your measurement system, say 20k
>
> I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of
> Japanese shite.[1]
Cheaply built in the third world enclave of Derbyshire.
>
> HTH.
No. Your sample size of 1 car fails to convince me that the wear & tear is
a factor of poor manufacturing rather than from the abuse of 6000 miles
worth of DILLIGAF hire car drivers.
Many years driving hire cars, working in the motor trade and buying cars
privately have taught me that an ex-Hertz car, with 10k miles on the clock,
can look quite tatty and require a great deal more unscheduled maintenance
in later life.
>
> [1] Interior design by Matsui.
Iwane Matsui?
--
wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789315 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 16:00 |
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
> Ben wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
> > wrote:
> >> People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being
> >> scrap by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have
> >> heard it from their fathers etc.
> >>
> >> We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so
> >> much.
> >
> > In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
> > these days.
> >
> Running a newer car means you'll be paying more in depreciation , usually in
> loan repayments ,
I think you actually mean your paying depreciation plus the interest on
loan repayments.
Being stereotypical, it just sticks in my craw to be paying interest on
a depreciating asset.
--
John
'00 SV650S
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789318 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 16:10 |
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On 23 Jul 2006 07:00:39 -0700, "Higgins [at] work"
<the.best.names.are.gone [at] gmail.com> wrote:
snip>
>I think you actually mean your paying depreciation plus the interest on
>loan repayments.
>
>Being stereotypical, it just sticks in my craw to be paying interest on
>a depreciating asset.
Don't forget that you can minimise those costs by purchasing a
pre-registered bike on interest free credit. That way you can have the
latest toys without having to save up the cash first.
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789325 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 16:30 |
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wessie wrote:
> >
> > HTH.
>
> No. Your sample size of 1 car fails to convince me that the wear &
> tear is a factor of poor manufacturing rather than from the abuse of
> 6000 miles worth of DILLIGAF hire car drivers.
>
> Many years driving hire cars, working in the motor trade and buying
> cars privately have taught me that an ex-Hertz car, with 10k miles on
> the clock, can look quite tatty and require a great deal more
> unscheduled maintenance in later life.
I've been watching this and am in no way convinced by Steve's
arguments. Quite the contrary, in fact.
--
Cab :^) - argue's like a girl
GSX 1400
UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1
email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org
http://www.rosbif.org
The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789327 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 16:43 |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:37:29 +0100, Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
>wrote:
>
>>Champ <news [at] champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> >Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
>>> >thread, mileage obsessed.
>>>
>>> And why do you think that is?
>>
>>People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being scrap
>>by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have heard it
>>from their fathers etc.
>>
>>We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so much.
>
>In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
>these days.
>
>The interiors generally are not. Seats wear, carpets wear, steering
>wheels get shiny, gear sticks get tatty. You also get stone chipping
>over the front of the car and all those little scratches on the body
>work that when you own a car you never notice but when buying would
>put you off.
>
>I want a low mileage car, not just because it makes it mechanically
>more reliable, but because it looks and feels a nicer place to be.
And that last clause in your sentence is exactly the way I feel about
it.
--
Champ
ZX10R
GPz750turbo
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789333 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 17:08 |
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Higgins [at] work wrote:
> Dr Zoidberg wrote:
>> Ben wrote:
>>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
>>> wrote:
>>>> People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being
>>>> scrap by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have
>>>> heard it from their fathers etc.
>>>>
>>>> We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so
>>>> much.
>>>
>>> In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
>>> these days.
>>>
>
>> Running a newer car means you'll be paying more in depreciation ,
>> usually in loan repayments ,
>
> I think you actually mean your paying depreciation plus the interest
> on loan repayments.
You don't pay "depreciation".
You pay for an object that will be worth less in future which will either
mean paying for it from savings and losing the interest you would have got
or getting a loan.
Either way you are losing money because of interest
> Being stereotypical, it just sticks in my craw to be paying interest
> on a depreciating asset.
Same as buying absolutely anything on credit , and at least a vehicle does
have some resale value unlike most of the stuff you buy which is used till
it gets binned
--
Alex
Piece by piece the penguins have taken my sanity
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789356 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 19:16 |
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SteveH wrote:
>
> I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
> shite.[1]
My Prado was extremely well-built, as a matter of fact.
Are you talking about cars you've never driven or ever been in? That
seems to be your forte.
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| Re: Car suggestions [message #789357 ] |
Sun, 23 July 2006 19:29 |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)
saying something like:
>I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
>shite.[1]
That somehow manage to keep going and going and have doors that close
with a satisfying clunk, switchgear that doesn't feel cheap and nasty,
don't leak, don't whine, don't squeak and rattle, don't break down and
just go.
I used to be of your opinion until I bought this particular SOJC - maybe
it's just a good one, but other opinions of them concur. The only thing
I've got against it is that it's boring as fuck to drive, but that can
be remedied by keeping the boot down as much as possible.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a
Every post contains Nutri-Ceramide-R and Pre-Biotics
for your reading pleasure.
Folding [at] Home Team UKRM http://www.tinyurl.com/jkxwv
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